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Quote (theCrossbones @ 14 Nov 2021 03:50)

That’s why public perception of being good person. Anti racism “good people both sides” etc matter. When you act like an asshole. Stealing from cancer charities??? Etc.. You don’t get the benefit of the doubt.

Quote (NetflixAdaptationWidow @ 14 Nov 2021 05:13)

That's because Trump actively dog whistled to xenophobes.

Funny how not being a piece of shit gets you the benefit of the doubt right?

Quote (Black XistenZ @ Nov 14 2021 04:35pm)

So you guys wanna tell me that Biden's track record on racial issues is so impeccable that it justifies the media giving him the benefit of the doubt? Sorry, but that's absurd.

After all, we're talking about a guy who opposed school integration because he didn't want his, quote, "children to grow up in a jungle, a racial jungle", who noted that "poor kids are just as bright and talented as white kids" and that "if you don't vote for me, you ain't black". One of the staples of his stump speeches is an anecdote about him beating up a bad black dude early in his life, before he became a politician. And the two most memorable moments from his 40 years long career in the Senate are, first, him championing a "super predator" crime bill which led to the disproportionate incarceration of an entire generation of young black males for comparatively minor offenses and, second, his efforts to derail the nomination of a black guy to the Supreme Court.


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The reality about Joe Biden is that he did not have particularly close ties to the black community prior to 2007. His career since then is built on the fact that a generational political talent (Obama) was looking for the most inoffensive, milquetoast old white dude he could find on Capitol Hill - and that happened to be Joe Biden.

During the 2019/20 Democratic primary, you had droves of opinion pieces from (some segment of) black leaders and progressives about how Joe Biden would be an horrible candidate and how he has an awful track record on racial issues. The true reason why black Democrats eventually rallied around Biden is not because they were so thrilled about him, it's because they perceived Trump as an existential threat, so that they prioritized 'electability' above everything else during this cycle. Biden's racial track record and his refusal to unconditionally embrace wokeness and BLM was often times defended by black Democrats with the argument that "if he was good enough for Obama, he's good enough for us", which epitomizes this rationale.

And as it turned out, Clyburn et al. were right and prevented Democrats from committing a horrible mistake by nominating someone else. Trump ended up being far stronger than polls suggested and Biden was probably the only Democrat able to beat him in 2020.

Quote (Black XistenZ @ Nov 14 2021 06:35pm)

So you guys wanna tell me that Biden's track record on racial issues is so impeccable that it justifies the media giving him the benefit of the doubt? Sorry, but that's absurd.

Quote (theCrossbones @ 15 Nov 2021 01:39)

No I’m not really saying that most people don’t take the deep dive.
To the general public thinks sleepy joe is good guy. That’s the difference. Obviously the left gives him more leeway

Quote (Black XistenZ @ Nov 14 2021 06:42pm)

The media should not care about the priors of the uninformed general public - they should care about the facts. And the facts indicate that Biden does not deserve as much of a free pass when making racist comments as the MSM is willing to afford him. It's blatant pro-Democrat bias by the MSM on display, plain and simple.

Quote (NetflixAdaptationWidow @ Nov 15 2021 02:40am)

Trump pretends not to know who David duke is so he doesn't alienate the KKK

Quote (Black XistenZ @ Nov 14 2021 04:35pm)

So you guys wanna tell me that Biden's track record on racial issues is so impeccable that it justifies the media giving him the benefit of the doubt? Sorry, but that's absurd.

After all, we're talking about a guy who opposed school integration because he didn't want his, quote, "children to grow up in a jungle, a racial jungle", who noted that "poor kids are just as bright and talented as white kids" and that "if you don't vote for me, you ain't black". One of the staples of his stump speeches is an anecdote about him beating up a bad black dude early in his life, before he became a politician. And the two most memorable moments from his 40 years long career in the Senate are, first, him championing a "super predator" crime bill which led to the disproportionate incarceration of an entire generation of young black males for comparatively minor offenses and, second, his efforts to derail the nomination of a black guy to the Supreme Court.


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The reality about Joe Biden is that he did not have particularly close ties to the black community prior to 2007. His career since then is built on the fact that a generational political talent (Obama) was looking for the most inoffensive, milquetoast old white dude he could find on Capitol Hill - and that happened to be Joe Biden.

During the 2019/20 Democratic primary, you had droves of opinion pieces from (some segment of) black leaders and progressives about how Joe Biden would be a horrible candidate and how he has an awful track record on racial issues. The true reason why black Democrats eventually rallied around Biden is not because they were so thrilled about him, it's because they perceived Trump as an existential threat, so that they prioritized 'electability' above everything else during this cycle. Biden's racial track record and his refusal to unconditionally embrace wokeness and BLM was often times defended by black Democrats with the argument that "if he was good enough for Obama, he's good enough for us", which epitomizes this rationale.

And as it turned out, Clyburn et al. were right and prevented Democrats from committing a horrible mistake by nominating someone else. Trump ended up being far stronger than polls suggested and Biden was probably the only Democrat able to beat him in 2020.