Right leaning libertarian goes to bat for a party even when they are doing very authoritarian things is news.

Cam did not change in 2015. Republicans just got so egregious that it became more obvious.

sure, just as i tend to agree with democrats more than republicans, but am a left leaning libertarian independent voter.

agreeing with the GOP more doesnt make him not a libertarian and never did tbh.

normally i wouldnt say much but my exactly issue with cam has always been him telling me im not a libertarian, so i'd be a hypocrite to not correct that point.



correct, "taxes are theft" is a bumper sticker, not a conversational nonstarter.

This post was edited by thesnipa on Apr 7 2022 11:57am

It's 2022, to be a libertarian is now to cede control over property rights to the government.

I don't understand your point. The government does control your property rights. They are the ones who enforce it, the ones who decide contracts in their court, etc. etc.

If you really want the government out of things, the only solution is to get rid of property.

This doesn't make sense.

Being able to keep and accumulate stuff is freedom, that's why libertarians are against various types of regulations and rules that take away or chip away at those freedoms. Taxes, gun rights, etc.

Getting rid of private property means it's public property which means it's government property as gov't is the agent that represents the public. This is what property rights looked like under communism. Our land, our production, our stuff, our stores, nothing is yours on an individual level.

No property rights equates to collectivism not to individual rights.

You are assuming government still exists. In the scenario I am describing it doesn't.

2022 libertarianism is about protecting the freedoms we still have and winning back some if feasible.

the whole "why dont u try and change all of society" angle against libertarians is cringey tbh. whether the context is taxes, property, or owning rocket launchers.

Sure, why not? Depends who you're taling to though.

I was pointing out how property is fundamentally antithetical to freedom and responding to his point that government does control property rights.



Agreeing more with Republicans doesn't. Constantly going to bat for Republicans even when they are pushing authoritarian measures does. Which he did for years before Trump, and just continued that trend into Trump's presidency.

This post was edited by NetflixAdaptationWidow on Apr 7 2022 12:31pm

It's also just a dig at them based on hyperbolic scenarios. There is no 'state of nature', pretty much every person in this world ascribes to some form of the social contract. In theory some libertarians may take their ideas to the logical conclusions and hold nonsensical takes like we shouldn't build roads or hospitals so they'll post that nonsense online while many of us roll our eyes at these takes but in reality most of them just really want a small non intrusive government that takes as a little of their property/various rights away as possible.

This post was edited by ofthevoid on Apr 7 2022 12:37pm