Our emissions have gone down substantially over the past 20 years. I think we're going to be much better off having done that compared to doing nothing. We've still got a long way to go but I think we've probably avoided some of the severity.

let’s not bring science, math, and logic into it. goes against the emotional narrative

Global emissions haven't decreased, unfortunately.

If we aren't recapturing carbon then we aren't avoiding any consequences, just delaying them slightly.

This is true but the rate is decreasing which is good. Buying time so we can adapt, further improve technology, etc. is of utmost importance.

The concerning thing is consequences of CO2 emissions have been consistently under-estimated by the scientific community. Right now the consensus is we're right on the edge of catastrophe, and if the previous trend holds, we are probably already well off the edge.

If we can't start extreme carbon capture very soon we're screwed.

you said here you drive around in a car to make money. you dont need that money, other people need it more, and it causes excess carbon emissions. knock it off

He's a cult member. Talking to him is worthless.



That isn't a number.

Automation debates in 2021

Yikes, sorry to hear that. Making the best of his life in such a situation is admirable!


Of course I do believe in climate change. What I do not believe in is the extreme alarmism. Anyone remember these old predictions which turned out to be waaay overblown?




So yeah, I do consider climate change to be a very serious problem, but I don't think it is this ultra-urgent issue on which we only have 5 more years left to avert the collapse of civilization or anything like that.


Equally as important, I disagree with a lot of the liberal approaches for tackling climate change. Simply put, I consider 'sacrifice and top-down restrictions' to be neither an acceptable nor a realistic solution for the problem. My humble opinion: either mankind finds technological solutions which allow us to maintain our standard of living or we're fucked.

So while I support strong investment into research on climate mitigation or carbon capture technologies and support doing everything that's economically sensible and good for the climate (e.g. replacing coal with cheaper solar as long as base load can be maintained), I am strongly against these liberal or leftist attempts at exploiting climate change as a door opener for the "transformation of society and the economy" that they have always dreamt about. Lots of political watermelons floating around in this regard (green outside, red inside).

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This post was edited by Black XistenZ on Nov 6 2021 08:50pm

So what about Biden's policy is so bad? He wants to slowly transform the grid to use cleaner energy and wants to have electric vehicles on the road. Is this unacceptable to you?