Quote (fender @ Nov 5 2021 05:59pm)

read again- all the names i listed are "democrats" and the same is true for the many others that form their "establishment". they might not be equally terrible, but they are definitely guilty af, yes.

Quote (EndlessSky @ Nov 5 2021 09:20pm)

The subsidies for families are bullshit. Biden structured the bill so that it will only help Mexican criminal "families".

Quote (Black XistenZ @ 5 Nov 2021 22:46)

it is the House progressives in tandem with Biden/Pelosi who are holding the bipartisan infrastructure bill hostage trying to gain leverage to ram through a piece of legislation (reconciliation bill) which does not have majority support.

If Biden/Pelosi wanted, the bipartisan infrastructure bill could pass next week.

Quote (NetflixAdaptationWidow @ 6 Nov 2021 05:08)

The right strategy for West Virginia, as proven by polling that has spanned back at least since March, is to stay middling or right on social issues, and go hard left on economic issues.

Things like raising taxes on billionaires, a wealth tax, and the human infrastructure stuff, are massively popular even among Republicans.

Republicans bread and butter is culture war bullshit, because they lost on virtually every issue economic issue.

Quote (Black XistenZ @ 6 Nov 2021 14:15)

Oh look, mere hours after I wrote:



the bipartisan infrastructure bill has indeed passed the House after Pelosi finally allowed a vote on it; and it passed thanks to Republican crossover support.



Maybe I'm not completely clueless and detached from reality after all. ^_^ :lol:






Do you consider climate policy to be an economic or a cultural issue?
Because one thing is for certain: progressive climate legislation will be a complete and total deal breaker in a coal state like West Virginia. And no, it is not a "culture war bullshit", tons of jobs and livelihoods in WV depend on coal and any politician suggesting to get rid of it will be 'welcomed' with torches and pitchforks.

Quote (fender @ 6 Nov 2021 14:26)

keep regurgitating those talking points, they don't change the FACTS.
meanwhile in reality:

https://www.weirtondailytimes.com/news/local-news/2021/08/polling-shows-west-virginians-open-to-energy-transition/
https://www.dataforprogress.org/memos/wv-voters-support-ces

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According to the poll, 70 percent of coal country respondents said the most important thing elected officials can do to help their communities is job creation. Another 14 percent of those in coal country said elected officials should support the coal industry in their communities, and 12 percent said lawmakers should support investments in clean energy and a phase out of coal for energy production.

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When asked if respondents agree with the statement that coal is the backbone of the state and that renewable energy is hurting mining jobs, 59 percent of statewide respondents and 59 percent of coal country respondents agreed. But when asked whether they agree that the economy is shifting away from coal and fossil fuels towards clean and renewable energy sources, 69 percent of statewide respondents and 73 percent of coal country respondents agreed.

Quote (Black XistenZ @ Nov 6 2021 09:08am)

Do you even read your own sources?

Some quotes from the first one:



In other words: West Virginians are not blind to what's going on outside of their state and see the writing on the wall. They realize the world is shifting away from coal, but consider this shift to be detrimental to their own economic prospects.

Coming up with the headline "West Virginians open to energy transition" based on these poll numbers is incredibly manipulative and wishful thinking.


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The second poll you linked uses incredibly loaded questions to achieve the desired outcomes. For example:
"The American Jobs Plan includes investments to create new, good-paying union jobs to manufacturing the technologies of the future, like wind turbines, solar panels or electric vehicles. Do you support or oppose these investments?"

Polling people about a policy while not mentioning the significant and tangible downsides it would have for them, or the difficult tradeoffs it entails, will always produce meaningless results.

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But sure, keep deluding yourself into thinking that bold progressive climate policy would be an electoral winner in West Virginia. :rofl:

Quote (Black XistenZ @ 6 Nov 2021 15:08)

Do you even read your own sources?

Some quotes from the first one:



In other words: West Virginians are not blind to what's going on outside of their state and see the writing on the wall. They realize the world is shifting away from coal, but consider this shift to be detrimental to their own economic prospects.

Coming up with the headline "West Virginians open to energy transition" based on these poll numbers is incredibly manipulative and wishful thinking.


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The second poll you linked uses incredibly loaded questions to achieve the desired outcomes. For example:
"The American Jobs Plan includes investments to create new, good-paying union jobs to manufacturing the technologies of the future, like wind turbines, solar panels or electric vehicles. Do you support or oppose these investments?"

Polling people about a policy while not mentioning the significant and tangible downsides it would have for them, or the difficult tradeoffs it entails, will always produce meaningless results.

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But sure, keep deluding yourself into thinking that bold progressive climate policy would be an electoral winner in West Virginia. :rofl:

Quote (Black XistenZ @ 6 Nov 2021 10:08)

Do you even read your own sources?

Some quotes from the first one:



In other words: West Virginians are not blind to what's going on outside of their state and see the writing on the wall. They realize the world is shifting away from coal, but consider this shift to be detrimental to their own economic prospects.

Coming up with the headline "West Virginians open to energy transition" based on these poll numbers is incredibly manipulative and wishful thinking.


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The second poll you linked uses incredibly loaded questions to achieve the desired outcomes. For example:
"The American Jobs Plan includes investments to create new, good-paying union jobs to manufacturing the technologies of the future, like wind turbines, solar panels or electric vehicles. Do you support or oppose these investments?"

Polling people about a policy while not mentioning the significant and tangible downsides it would have for them, or the difficult tradeoffs it entails, will always produce meaningless results.

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But sure, keep deluding yourself into thinking that bold progressive climate policy would be an electoral winner in West Virginia. :rofl:

Quote (Black XistenZ @ Nov 6 2021 08:15am)

Do you consider climate policy to be an economic or a cultural issue?
Because one thing is for certain: progressive climate legislation will be a complete and total deal breaker in a coal state like West Virginia. And no, it is not a "culture war bullshit", tons of jobs and livelihoods in WV depend on coal and any politician suggesting to get rid of it will be 'welcomed' with torches and pitchforks.

Quote (Black XistenZ @ Nov 6 2021 06:15am)

Oh look, mere hours after I wrote:

the bipartisan infrastructure bill has indeed passed the House after Pelosi finally allowed a vote on it; and it passed thanks to Republican crossover support.

Maybe I'm not completely clueless and detached from reality after all. ^_^ :lol:


Do you consider climate policy to be an economic or a cultural issue?
Because one thing is for certain: progressive climate legislation will be a complete and total deal breaker in a coal state like West Virginia. And no, it is not a "culture war bullshit", tons of jobs and livelihoods in WV depend on coal and any politician suggesting to get rid of it will be 'welcomed' with torches and pitchforks.