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Nov 5 2021 03:59pm
Quote (excellence @ 5 Nov 2021 22:56)
no they dont

the usual suspects here and in the media and in politics blame Trump for the VA state elections, because they decided to “run against him” for some bizarre reason


Let them continue to run "blame Trump for everything" as their main strategy. It is now a proven stinker in states less blue than Commiefornia. If that's the hill they want to die on, that's fine by me. ^_^
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Nov 5 2021 04:05pm
Quote (Black XistenZ @ 5 Nov 2021 17:59)
Let them continue to run "blame Trump for everything" as their main strategy. It is now a proven stinker in states less blue than Commiefornia. If that's the hill they want to die on, that's fine by me. ^_^

the media will carry the water for them, and 81+ million people fully and universally support what is going on in the US right now

they’ll be fine. probably will expand their majorities in 2022
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Nov 5 2021 04:12pm
Quote (Goomshill @ Nov 5 2021 07:05pm)
If you want a challenge, try watching E3 2021's Take-Two presentation, it was a diversity and inclusion panel instead of game announcements
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K_uZZ9L6jjk

>558 upvotes 24,000 downvotes
heh


fk that. At some level if not outright intentional they know what kind of message this sends right?

Surely one would develop foresight. Imagine me going up on stage and saying well i am white male who is well endowed and am better then 95% of the population in every way. my pronouns are mr awesome and do you plebs have any questions?
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Nov 5 2021 04:26pm
Quote (Black XistenZ @ Nov 5 2021 04:46pm)
I was talking about the Build Back Better/reconciliation bill. Spending $3.5 trillion on "human infrastructure" is economically progressive, and it is this bill which is struggling to get through. Without the tactical shenanigans surrounding BBB, the infrastructure bill would have passed a long time ago. Like I said before: it is the House progressives in tandem with Biden/Pelosi who are holding the bipartisan infrastructure bill hostage trying to gain leverage to ram through a piece of legislation (reconciliation bill) which does not have majority support.

If Biden/Pelosi wanted, the bipartisan infrastructure bill could pass next week.


Nope. His approval rating is also falling like a stone in WV with 77% of conservatives in WV saying he should vote to pass the 3.5 trillion dollar bill. Lemme see if I can find the referenced poll specifically. That seems high, but the 3.5 trillion dollar infrastructure bill is hugely popular in WV, not just the physical bill.

Cited poll is a survey from "WorkMoney", which I've never heard of.


https://americansfortaxfairness.org/wp-content/uploads/GSG-WV-Survey-Deck-09.03.21-updated.pdf

Here's an interesting one. If you include raising taxes on billionaires or the Biden tax plan with the bill it gets positive support among every group. Further highlighting how this isn't a massively progressive agenda.

"• Voters are initially split on their support for the reconciliation package, but support
increases significantly when voters are told it will be paid for by policies that raise taxes on
the wealthy"

This post was edited by NetflixAdaptationWidow on Nov 5 2021 04:36pm
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Nov 5 2021 05:43pm
Quote (excellence @ 5 Nov 2021 21:41)
and now the country suffers for it

more covid deaths under harris/biden with 3 vaccines than under Trump
worse inflation
more expensive necessity prices
worse labor markets
begging opec+ russia for cheaper oil
putin and xi having field days
biden put in his place

https://i.ibb.co/845PLTf/CC8-F1-C1-D-7832-42-C2-8-AD4-36789-B46-A21-F.jpg


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Quote (NetflixAdaptationWidow @ 5 Nov 2021 23:26)
Nope. His approval rating is also falling like a stone in WV with 77% of conservatives in WV saying he should vote to pass the 3.5 trillion dollar bill. Lemme see if I can find the referenced poll specifically. That seems high, but the 3.5 trillion dollar infrastructure bill is hugely popular in WV, not just the physical bill.

Cited poll is a survey from "WorkMoney", which I've never heard of.


https://americansfortaxfairness.org/wp-content/uploads/GSG-WV-Survey-Deck-09.03.21-updated.pdf

Here's an interesting one. If you include raising taxes on billionaires or the Biden tax plan with the bill it gets positive support among every group. Further highlighting how this isn't a massively progressive agenda.

"• Voters are initially split on their support for the reconciliation package, but support
increases significantly when voters are told it will be paid for by policies that raise taxes on
the wealthy"


Bills which promise to give people free stuff and let some other, unpopular group pay for it will always poll well. If you wrote a bill promising to build a golden toilet for every American and let the billionaires pay for it, that bill would also poll well. ;)

This doesnt mean that people would still support it after both sides had time to put a partisan spin on the bill. Just look at Obamacare, which gave many people better healthcare coverage and was mostly paid for by people with higher incomes - it was still an electoral stinker for a couple of years before the electorate had warmed up to it. And even today, it's decently popular but not a political slam dunk.

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Nope. His approval rating is also falling like a stone in WV with 77% of conservatives in WV saying he should vote to pass the 3.5 trillion dollar bill. Lemme see if I can find the referenced poll specifically. That seems high, but the 3.5 trillion dollar infrastructure bill is hugely popular in WV, not just the physical bill.

Cited poll is a survey from "WorkMoney", which I've never heard of.


https://americansfortaxfairness.org/wp-content/uploads/GSG-WV-Survey-Deck-09.03.21-updated.pdf

Here's an interesting one. If you include raising taxes on billionaires or the Biden tax plan with the bill it gets positive support among every group. Further highlighting how this isn't a massively progressive agenda.

"• Voters are initially split on their support for the reconciliation package, but support
increases significantly when voters are told it will be paid for by policies that raise taxes on
the wealthy"


https://americansfortaxfairness.org/about/

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Americans for Tax Fairness (ATF) is a diverse campaign of more than 420 national, state and local endorsing organizations united in support of a fair tax system that works for all Americans. It has come together based on the belief that the country needs comprehensive, progressive tax reform that results in greater revenue to meet our growing needs. This requires big corporations and the wealthy to pay their fair share in taxes, not to live by their own set of rules. ATF is a project of the New Venture Fund – a section 501(c)(3) non-profit organization.


Lol.
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Nov 5 2021 06:53pm
Quote (Black XistenZ @ 5 Nov 2021 22:26)
I have a mind-blowing idea: if Democrats want to enact big bold progressive legislation, how about they win more elections so that their Congressional majorities don't hinge on a conservative dude from a coal-loving, lily-white, R+infinity state?
It's completely absurd that Dems are getting furious about Manchin voting in line with the political leanings of his state.


you can't possibly be that gullible. the likes of manchin, sinema, pelosi, feinstein, biden... and pretty much every single republican vote for / against what their DONORS (and own financial interests) demand - not the "political leanings of (their) state", lol.



Quote (Black XistenZ @ 6 Nov 2021 01:20)
Bills which promise to give people free stuff and let some other, unpopular group pay for it will always poll well. If you wrote a bill promising to build a golden toilet for every American and let the billionaires pay for it, that bill would also poll well. ;)

This doesnt mean that people would still support it after both sides had time to put a partisan spin on the bill. Just look at Obamacare, which gave many people better healthcare coverage and was mostly paid for by people with higher incomes - it was still an electoral stinker for a couple of years before the electorate had warmed up to it. And even today, it's decently popular but not a political slam dunk.


those aren't bills about "golden toilets" or some other frivolous bs though, you hack - those are affordable and realistic policies that have proven successful in many of america's peer countries. you know that very well, that's why you can't address the issues directly, and have to come up with excuses featuring golden toilets to dismiss popular opinion and lick billionaire boot...

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Quote (fender @ Nov 5 2021 05:53pm)
you can't possibly be that gullible. the likes of manchin, sinema, pelosi, feinstein, biden... and pretty much every single republican vote for / against what their DONORS (and own financial interests) demand - not the "political leanings of (their) state", lol.


Don't dems do the same thing?
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