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Jan 8 2020 02:06pm
Quote (ThatAlex @ Jan 8 2020 02:04pm)
Initial results from all this look promising on the US end. Iran crosses a red line by killing an American contractor, Trump responds quickly by yeeting their top military guy. Iran retaliates but no American deaths. Trump's initial statement doesn't look like we will respond to their retaliation. This is great news. We can only hope for the best.

So far, Trump has held a steady hand through this while also making America look strong. Iran has gotten away with far too much for far too long. Hopefully this keeps them in their place and tensions do not rise.


i really like your posts. great content, nuanced view, and wonderful use of phrases like "yeet".
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Jan 8 2020 02:09pm
Quote (ThatAlex @ Jan 8 2020 02:04pm)
Initial results from all this look promising on the US end. Iran crosses a red line by killing an American contractor, Trump responds quickly by yeeting their top military guy. Iran retaliates but no American deaths. Trump's initial statement doesn't look like we will respond to their retaliation. This is great news. We can only hope for the best.

So far, Trump has held a steady hand through this while also making America look strong. Iran has gotten away with far too much for far too long. Hopefully this keeps them in their place and tensions do not rise.


But it has been fun watching the mutual freakout by both leftwing and the less stable Trump supporters
"World war 3"
"We're all going to die"
"Trump's not the promised Ron Paul!"
"What age does the draft go up to?!"
etcetc
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Jan 8 2020 02:12pm
Quote (Goomshill @ Jan 8 2020 12:09pm)
But it has been fun watching the mutual freakout by both leftwing and the less stable Trump supporters
"World war 3"
"We're all going to die"
"Trump's not the promised Ron Paul!"
"What age does the draft go up to?!"
etcetc


Hindsight is 20-20 though. I don't think anyone expected Trump to kill Soleimani so it was a legitimate scary time. Wars have been started over less!

But you're right that some of those statements are hyperbolic. We won't have a draft, we're not going to die, and the rest of the world is going to stay the fuck out of this one haha.
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Quote (Santara @ 8 Jan 2020 20:58)
If we had shot them all down, and we can shoot them all down, then Iran wouldn't have saved face and would still be looking for another avenue of attack. It's highly likely we knew they were coming and let them.


the us let the mullahs show of force ?
knowing the oposition party will be wiped out. and the allied troops have to leave the region

but prolly you are right.

looks like a clean 1:0 win for the iran mullahs

e:// on cnn they say :they couldnt disturb them. as the iranians did develope them further.
could be fake news or alternativ

Quote (ThatAlex @ 8 Jan 2020 21:04)
Initial results from all this look promising on the US end. Iran crosses a red line by killing an American contractor, Trump responds quickly by yeeting their top military guy. Iran retaliates but no American deaths. Trump's initial statement doesn't look like we will respond to their retaliation. This is great news. We can only hope for the best.

So far, Trump has held a steady hand through this while also making America look strong. Iran has gotten away with far too much for far too long. Hopefully this keeps them in their place and tensions do not rise.


the imperial kingdoms point of view ?

This post was edited by TriboreTheRevolutionary on Jan 8 2020 02:45pm
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Jan 8 2020 02:44pm
Quote (Saucisson6000 @ Jan 8 2020 02:52pm)
They launched missiles, taking care to not kill people, or too much people. It's pretty decent way to not lose the face.

A confrontation with the United States ? But you know Iran is a much more older civilization, and much bigger than ViEtNaM or AfGHaNiStAN.

I did nothing, i want nothing, nothing, this was a perfect launch !!! :rofl:


/e this said Iran is definitely showing some expansion/influence behavior, but who doesn't ...


Vietnam has always had a much larger population than Iran. It's the 15th most populous state in the world.
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Jan 8 2020 02:55pm
Quote (bogie160 @ 8 Jan 2020 17:41)
Except not launching ballistic missiles.

I'm not surprised, though. A confrontation with the United States is the end of the current Iranian regime.



america could not stand a war with iran and his allies in the middle east. the whole region would blow up. palestine, libanon, jemen, lybia, syria, irak .....
i wanna see the us fight them all.

and at first side, ask china B)

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Vietnam has always had a much larger population than Iran. It's the 15th most populous state in the world.


i guess he means the country area size

Quote (RedFromWinter @ 8 Jan 2020 21:59)
You are right, US could blow the world apart with 1% of its nuclear weapons.

guess who will be next getting blow up by china, russia and prolly any muslim state owning nuclear forces like pakistan.
Quote (nickerbocker57 @ 8 Jan 2020 22:00)
Wouldn't even need to go nuclear.


thats why they did so well since ww2


This post was edited by TriboreTheRevolutionary on Jan 8 2020 03:03pm
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america could not stand a war with iran and his allies in the middle east. the whole region would blow up. palestine, libanon, jemen, lybia, syria, irak .....
i wanna see the us fight them all.

and at first side, ask china B)


You are right, US could blow the world apart with 1% of its nuclear weapons.
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Jan 8 2020 03:00pm
Quote (RedFromWinter @ Jan 8 2020 04:59pm)
You are right, US could blow the world apart with 1% of its nuclear weapons.


Wouldn't even need to go nuclear.
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Jan 8 2020 03:45pm
i really really hope this was the full extent of iran's official response - if so, we can all consider ourselves lucky that they have smarter leadership than america.

that said, it's pretty amazing how people, who acted like they were principled non-interventionists (which always was a weak and transparent excuse to cover for another one of trump's foreign policy blunders), just backed this move that had (and unfortunately still has) the potential to escalate into a major military conflict.
a few questions for those embracing the "we killed a terrorist and it didn't cost us anything" narrative:

- what do you think about the thousands of additional troops deployed to the middle east? not just in terms of its economic costs (strange how no one is asking how to pay for this), but also the fact that it's the exact opposite of trump's promise to get america OUT of the middle east?
- how does the fact that iran now also abandoned the nuclear deal, and might go back to developing nuclear weapons, fit into the 'masterful response' narrative?
- how many additional terrorist do you guess this escalation has created? hundreds of thousands mourning and protesting in the streets, shouting 'death to america' - a few of them will inevitably make it to a military base or even to the US. worth it?
- how would you evaluate fact that the likelihood of both parties returning to the negotiating table was decreased significantly by trump's hawkish approach towards iran?

i mean it's great that not more lives have been lost (yet), but people can't possibly be that shortsighted and ignorant to genuinely consider this a 'win'?!

Quote (bogie160 @ 8 Jan 2020 21:44)
Vietnam has always had a much larger population than Iran. It's the 15th most populous state in the world.


north vietnam's population in 1964 was around 17 million people. iran's population today is around 80 million people.

This post was edited by fender on Jan 8 2020 03:48pm
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Jan 8 2020 03:49pm
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i really really hope this was the full extent of iran's official response - if so, we can all consider ourselves lucky that they have smarter leadership than america.

that said, it's pretty amazing how people, who acted like they were principled non-interventionists (which always was a weak and transparent excuse to cover for another one of trump's foreign policy blunders), just backed this move that had (and unfortunately still has) the potential to escalate into a major military conflict.
a few questions for those embracing the "we killed a terrorist and it didn't cost us anything" narrative:

- what do you think about the thousands of additional troops deployed to the middle east? not just in terms of its economic costs (strange how no one is asking how to pay for this), but also the fact that it's the exact opposite of trump's promise to get america OUT of the middle east?
- how does the fact that iran now also abandoned the nuclear deal, and might go back to developing nuclear weapons, fit into the 'masterful response' narrative?
- how many additional terrorist do you guess this escalation has created? hundreds of thousands mourning and protesting in the streets, shouting 'death to america' - a few of them will inevitably make it to a military base or even to the US. worth it?
- how would you evaluate the cost of the likelihood of both parties returning to the negotiating table being decreased significantly by trump's whole approach towards iran?

i mean it's great that not more lives have been lost (yet), but people can't possibly be that shortsighted and ignorant to genuinely consider this a 'win'?!



north vietnam's population in 1964 was around 17 million people. iran's population today is around 80 million people.


they'll just say with benefit of hindsight they knew all along it would play out like this of course.

the only other point i'd offer is deployment for readiness beats deployment for combat. while no one wants to be away from their family being on a base in the middle east is a lot better than the front lines.
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