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From the dude who was essentially responsible for the recent popularization of the illuminati:

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Hello Fellow Pardians

It seems we've had an influx of user who wants to constantly make threads with a single youtube video instead of actually explain the subject or his thoughts on it so I figured I would just make a mega-thread for anybody who wants to post YouTube video as a replacement for original thought.

Any time you want to start a thread with a youtube video, just archive it in this handy thread! Best part is everybody can use it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jhQdYvz0VwQ

Here's one I like from potholer54, a YouTube atheist.

I believe in this thread so strongly I'm dropping a whole 15fg to make the title flashy!


thanks for making this thread! will ask some friends for any good vids they recommend
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Ok I've now watched this vid. It seems they're nitpicking minor details without actually critiquing the empirical evidence Piketty sources. They allude to an interview where Piketty basically states this, and laugh it off, but still don't actually refute it in any way,

As I wasn't satisfied with their verbal critique, I looked up the paper they are talking about: http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=2543012

I only skimmed the literature, but I looked at the graphs. The 'communist distortion' claim is bullcrap, cam. The historical innaccuracies very minor.

Instead of saying the projections of capital-income ratios are exaggerated because he doesn't take into account depreciation of capital or other slowdown effects, they go into conspiracy.

Overall it's quite a poor critique, and while there are valid criticisms of his book that I also take issue with, he shone the light on the increasing levels of inherited wealth in society. Even if he mistakes some of the increases in capital to rising prices of land and things like that.

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Ok I've now watched this vid. It seems they're nitpicking minor details without actually critiquing the empirical evidence Piketty sources. They allude to an interview where Piketty basically states this, and laugh it off, but still don't actually refute it in any way,

As I wasn't satisfied with their verbal critique, I looked up the paper they are talking about: http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=2543012

I only skimmed the literature, but I looked at the graphs. The 'communist distortion' claim is bullcrap, cam. The historical innaccuracies very minor.

Instead of saying the projections of capital-income ratios are exaggerated because he doesn't take into account depreciation of capital or other slowdown effects, they go into conspiracy.

Overall it's quite a poor critique, and while there are valid criticisms of his book that I also take issue with, he shone the light on the increasing levels of inherited wealth in society. Even if he mistakes some of the increases in capital to rising prices of land and things like that.


Calling numerous major and minor historical inaccuracies in his narrative that are central to the book's theme and exposing his consistent bias and fill-in-the-blanks-with-socialist-propaganda methodology 'a minor flaw' and writing it off as 'poor critique' is pretty hilariously convenient for you, especially considering you 'skimmed it' at best.
I understand that you'd rather stick with your hero's rosy puff piece interview but cmon now.

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Whereas other data critiques, including that of the Financial Times, have raised important normative and methodological questions in Piketty’s data presentations, the issues highlighted here suggest an even more fundamental problem of his reliance upon factually mistaken data claims, unsupported assertions of validity, and certain dubious chart constructions that only make sense in service to a preconceived narrative.

The discrepancies we identify are pervasive in the book, beginning with misstatements of basic historical fact and extending to an abundance of political distortion and confirmation bias in his data selection and methodological choices.In the aforementioned use of communist data assumptions to accentuate the shape of a desired trend line, ostensibly explaining a hypothesized characteristic of capitalism, it is difficult to maintain a noble opinion of the scholarship involved. These problems afflict Capital in the Twenty-First Century’s historical narrative in ways that are both large and small, although the frequency with which they occur is sufficient to warrant deep skepticism of the book as a whole and especially the many instances where Piketty substitutes an appeal to the reader’s trust for annotation that is—at best—murky. It is therefore curious that the early reaction to Capital credited its data analysis despite other reservations with its contents and prescriptions. To the contrary, an abundance of questionable and problematic data claims may well mean that empirics are the book’s weakest point.

Sounds a bit minor eh? :rofl:

They also allude to other areas of the book that have already been picked over as garbage.

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Calling major historical inaccuracies in his narrative that are central to the book's theme and exposing his consistent bias and fill-in-the-blanks-with-socialist-propaganda methodology 'a minor flaw' and writing it off as 'poor critique' is pretty hilariously convenient for you, especially considering you 'skimmed it' at best.
I understand that you'd rather stick with your hero's rosy puff piece interview but cmon now.


Sounds a bit minor eh? :rofl:

They also allude to other areas of the book that have already been picked over as garbage.


I watched your damn video and delved a bit deeper in addition to that. Did you really expect me to read all 43 pages of it? I'm certain you wouldn't afford that to something I posted. I was hopeful you posted something of real value this time around which made me waste 30-45 mins of my own time reading into it, but no. Even from skimming it is quite an obvious neoliberal hitpiece feigning academic integrity.

The actual academic consensus is that the historical data is quite sound and the theory is a bit off. I get that nuance isn't something that radicals are very good at, but you're taking it a little far this time.

Piketty addresses the Financial Times piece and other data criticisms quite well here: http://piketty.pse.ens.fr/files/capital21c/en/Piketty2014TechnicalAppendixResponsetoFT.pdf

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I watched your damn video and delved a bit deeper in addition to that. Did you really expect me to read all 43 pages of it? I'm certain you wouldn't afford that to something I posted. I was hopeful you posted something of real value this time around which made me waste 30-45 mins of my own time reading into it, but no. Even from skimming it is quite an obvious neoliberal hitpiece feigning academic integrity.

The actual academic consensus is that the historical data is quite sound and the theory is a bit off. I get that nuance isn't something that radicals are very good at, but you're taking it a little far this time.

Piketty addresses the Financial Times piece and other data criticisms well quite here: http://piketty.pse.ens.fr/files/capital21c/en/Piketty2014TechnicalAppendixResponsetoFT.pdf

Its fine if you don't want to read it, but writing it off as 'minor' and 'poor' is obviously illegitimate when you haven't read it or even familiarized yourself with the conclusion.

Instead of analyzing the flaws and the validity of the claims you have to appeal to some false 'consensus' to pretend its a super swell book and that criticism is unwarranted..

Its laughably hypocritical when you accuse me of only reading that which agrees with my worldview when you are publicly fellatiating piketty and krugman and shillfully writing off criticism of them for illegitimate fallacious reasons without reading it.

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