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Apr 29 2013 08:03pm
Quote (El Shadday @ Apr 29 2013 05:53pm)

He stated:
Matthew 5:48
Be perfect, therefore, as your heavenly Father is perfect.

how can we achieve the moral and intellectual perfection in a single existence?


By following Jesus' teachings on kingdom values. The greek word for "perfect" should really be understood in the sense of 'whole' or 'complete' in actuality. Believing in Jesus is the way to do that. You can achieve moral completion by dying to self, and being baptised in His name. You know, the gospel?
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Apr 30 2013 12:40am
Quote (dajusta @ 29 Apr 2013 22:46)
It's not off tangent.  You said there was never any man who lived a perfect life.  But do you even grasp such a notion to assert such philosophy?


speaking of philosophy of perfection/perfectionism you find good resources from stanford university online, since you have such thirst for knowledge let me recommend to read (as example)
http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/perfectionism-moral/ and especially all the references given - perhaps you get some grasp that your ideas on the subject are not the only ones
let me emphasise that you should reread the (short) conclusion a few times
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Apr 30 2013 01:07am
The perfect life is missing nothing, not even sin, or sadness.

is a bbq still a bbq if you dont find your self needing to wash your hands and face after eating?

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Apr 30 2013 07:35am
Quote (brmv @ Apr 30 2013 01:01am)
and there we are again, typical 'CPK001' circular reasoning - as if i wouldn't have known


I need to explain the same things to you over and over and over again until you understand it.

Quote (bentherdonethat @ Apr 30 2013 02:28am)
You'll have to clarify what you're talking about, because now you've just lost me. What conclusion have I come to that you believe is incorrect?

You said that if we add up all the Christians from the past they'd be able to convince the 5 billion living non-Christians, and for some reason disregarded all of the non-Christians from the past. And I (correctly) stated that I don't have to even back up anything I've said, because we already live in a world where the Christians of the past have not been able to convince the non-Christians of the present.


I said you overlooked some of the big names in the Bible and you said that was a plainly silly comment. I then said that because you overlooked the big names in the Bible you came to your conclusion as you did. Now I understand how you came to your conclusion but I also know where you went wrong.

Analogy: I'll use this analogy in the form of mathematics.

The Mathematics sum that you need to solve is this:
2 * 5 + 9 = ?
There are two ways you can complete this sum.
You can do 5 + 9 = 14
2 * 14 = 28

The other way you can complete the sum is to do 2 * 5 = 10
10 + 9 = 19

Conclusion:
2 * 5 + 9
2 * 5 = 10
10 + 9 = 19
2 * 5 + 9 = 19

Or

2 * 5 + 9
5 + 9 = 14
2 * 14 = 28
2 * 5 + 9 = 28

Now the point I'm making is that you can steer towards one pathway and lead to the logical end of the sum. However, the method that you did use to reach your conclusion was wrong.
So when I say you overlooked some of the big names in the Bible, it is obvious what conclusion you were going to come to: Jesus never lived.

Now in regards to the 5 billion people, they can be changed one disciple at a time. So not all will enter the kingdom of Heaven, some people just will not listen until it is too late.
Their hearts are hardened and we will mourn their loss when they feel the reality of Hell. The message is not there to brainwash you but to warn you. It is up to you to heed the warning.
We will not stop warning you either. You will be warned until the day you die.
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Apr 30 2013 09:16am
Quote (CPK001 @ Apr 30 2013 07:35am)
I need to explain the same things to you over and over and over again until you understand it.



I said you overlooked some of the big names in the Bible and you said that was a plainly silly comment. I then said that because you overlooked the big names in the Bible you came to your conclusion as you did. Now I understand how you came to your conclusion but I also know where you went wrong.

Analogy: I'll use this analogy in the form of mathematics.

The Mathematics sum that you need to solve is this:
2 * 5 + 9 = ?
There are two ways you can complete this sum.
You can do 5 + 9 = 14
2 * 14 = 28

The other way you can complete the sum is to do 2 * 5 = 10
10 + 9 = 19

Conclusion:
2 * 5 + 9
2 * 5 = 10
10 + 9 = 19
2 * 5 + 9 = 19

Or

2 * 5 + 9
5 + 9 = 14
2 * 14 = 28
2 * 5 + 9 = 28

Now the point I'm making is that you can steer towards one pathway and lead to the logical end of the sum. However, the method that you did use to reach your conclusion was wrong.
So when I say you overlooked some of the big names in the Bible, it is obvious what conclusion you were going to come to: Jesus never lived.

Now in regards to the 5 billion people, they can be changed one disciple at a time. So not all will enter the kingdom of Heaven, some people just will not listen until it is too late.
Their hearts are hardened and we will mourn their loss when they feel the reality of Hell. The message is not there to brainwash you but to warn you. It is up to you to heed the warning.
We will not stop warning you either. You will be warned until the day you die.


you see, you're going about this in a completely wrong way.

Look, if you have e^(i*pi)+1=0 then 0 means that there is nothing that you can come up with that will describe e^(i*pi), while e is eulers constant, which shows that this is the e-webz, and i is the imaginary constant, or your blind faith, and pi is the constant of god, showing that your blind faith multiplied by it creates a negative consequence when made the power over e.
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Apr 30 2013 09:28am
Quote (CPK001 @ 30 Apr 2013 13:35)
I need to explain the same things to you over and over and over again until you understand it.
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you never explain anything, you just babble and babble and babble reflecting what has been done to you
it's not called explaining but (attempted) brainwashing
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Apr 30 2013 09:35am
Quote (brmv @ Apr 30 2013 10:28am)
you never explain anything, you just babble and babble and babble reflecting what has been done to you
it's not called explaining but (attempted) brainwashing


i hope this is all a prolonged elaborate troll

god help us all if he's for real
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Apr 30 2013 09:41am
Quote (duffman316 @ 30 Apr 2013 15:35)
i hope this is all a prolonged elaborate troll
no, he is real - australia's proof that the usa does not have exclusive rights to christian fundamentalism
god help us all if he's for real


which god? his?
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Apr 30 2013 09:54am
Quote (AEtheric @ Apr 30 2013 08:16am)
Look, if you have e^(i*pi)+1=0 then 0 means that there is nothing that you can come up with that will describe e^(i*pi), while e is eulers constant, which shows that this is the e-webz, and i is the imaginary constant, or your blind faith, and pi is the constant of god, showing that your blind faith multiplied by it creates a negative consequence when made the power over e.
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: that was a good one!

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Apr 30 2013 10:05am
Quote (dajusta @ 29 Apr 2013 23:03)
By following Jesus' teachings on kingdom values.  The greek word for "perfect" should really be understood in the sense of 'whole' or 'complete' in actuality.  Believing in Jesus is the way to do that.  You can achieve moral completion by dying to self, and being baptised in His name.  You know, the gospel?


what is the rational logic in someone die for you and repay their sins?
this would not be lazy?

every man according to his works was what Jesus said
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