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Oct 5 2021 09:03pm
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So what? Police brutality was at basically all-time lows when floyd died. People should be upset when agitators ignore the data and the science regarding police brutality. People also have a right to be upset when they feel freedoms are being infringed upon for vaxes. That tweet is dumb all the way around.
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So what? Police brutality was at basically all-time lows when floyd died. People should be upset when agitators ignore the data and the science regarding police brutality. People also have a right to be upset when they feel freedoms are being infringed upon for vaxes. That tweet is dumb all the way around.


Got any sources for that? Besides, Kaepernick was five years ago, not in 2020. Your inability to comprehend something doesn't make the subject matter dumb.
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Oct 6 2021 09:02am
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Got any sources for that? Besides, Kaepernick was five years ago, not in 2020. Your inability to comprehend something doesn't make the subject matter dumb.


You do realize that Kaepernick knew he sucked at football and no one was going to sign him so instead he went for the Nike sponsorship by taking a knee. He got a sponsorship that paid him just as much if note more then an NFL team which would've made him a 2nd/third string QB. So he actually supported a company whose labor comes out of China where they abuse their workers(child work force/ bare minimum pay/violations of human rights). So he's one of the biggest hypocrites I've ever seen.

The meme you posted was just a bad correlation is all.
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That doctors name. Albert Einstein


No it was some young white woman who couldn't give me a straight answer when I asked her the most basic question, "Are all of these vaccines safe".



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Maybe you misinterpreted what I was trying to say or I misspoke. 50 million chemicals include what's in cigarettes'/paint/plastic etc. etc. and all of these products have caused harm to people over time. Of course are lifespans have increased since the 1700's but there's many other contributing factors there.

An example would be the weed-killer Roundup. No one who was using that suspected that if it got on their skin it would lead to cancer in some cases.

Another example would be me when I was 8-12 years old thinking EVERY product in a grocery store was 100% safe. They're not but still FDA approved.

Quote (NetflixAdaptationWidow @ 5 Oct 2021 20:04)
Yes I did know that. And it's a big problem. We let industry basically self-regulate with regard to food additives and chemicals, and that's a problem. Many chemicals are directly linked to health issues and we should address that. John Oliver did an episode last week on PFAS that I recommend, although he relies on mouse data to infer toxicity which isn't that reliable. However he also has data from human observation so that's forgiveable. And where did you get the information that they are causing health problems? The same medical establishment you are criticizing as being corrupt and forcing harmful vaccines on us. You are contradicting yourself lol.

The areas of medicine where we have problems are places where government just lets industry do what it wants. The opiod epidemic was largely due to the government not regulating how addictive substances can be pitched to doctors and patients alike, for example.

However, the areas where we have great regulation, like vaccines, are stunningly safe.

I am not some stooge for pharma. I build my beliefs based on evidence, so no, I won't give the blanket pass to pharma that you wish I would give them.

I find it hilarious that anti-vax conspiracy types like yourself say things like "question everything" and then spout easily debunked nonsense and assume my positions without asking.


I appreciate this post but I stand by the fact that not everything in vaccines is safe(hence the insert)(hence the clinical trials where someone has a negative adverse event). You always say things like, "Well 90 percent is good and those things are rare events".

So let me ask you another question. If someone you knew/love/care about was paralyzed or developed an illness as a direct result of vaccine/medical intervention would you still stand behind the "science". Or would you consider that person collateral for the betterment of science.

I hope you and all of the other people in this thread bashing me for not taking a vaccine go and sign up for clinical trials and take the next experimental injection "in the name of science". I mean you love science so much why don't you just let them test all of this on you. You know the science has your back and nothing bad could possibly happen to you and you would be adding to the data pool. Sounds like something yall would be down with.
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Oct 6 2021 09:31am
Quote (SwamiVivekananda @ Oct 6 2021 10:02am)
You do realize that Kaepernick knew he sucked at football and no one was going to sign him so instead he went for the Nike sponsorship by taking a knee. He got a sponsorship that paid him just as much if note more then an NFL team which would've made him a 2nd/third string QB. So he actually supported a company whose labor comes out of China where they abuse their workers(child work force/ bare minimum pay/violations of human rights). So he's one of the biggest hypocrites I've ever seen.

The meme you posted was just a bad correlation is all.


Not an argument.
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I appreciate this post but I stand by the fact that not everything in vaccines is safe(hence the insert)(hence the clinical trials where someone has a negative adverse event). You always say things like, "Well 90 percent is good and those things are rare events".

So let me ask you another question. If someone you knew/love/care about was paralyzed or developed an illness as a direct result of vaccine/medical intervention would you still stand behind the "science". Or would you consider that person collateral for the betterment of science.

I hope you and all of the other people in this thread bashing me for not taking a vaccine go and sign up for clinical trials and take the next experimental injection "in the name of science". I mean you love science so much why don't you just let them test all of this on you. You know the science has your back and nothing bad could possibly happen to you and you would be adding to the data pool. Sounds like something yall would be down with.


It's not 90% lol. It's 100% with adverse events being like 0.001%.

Yes, even if somebody I personally knew had a serious adverse reaction I'd still recommend vaccination. Dude, again, nobody has ever claimed vaccines have zero adverse reactions or zero risk. The fact is it's far less risky than getting Covid. That's all of medicine. The treatment has to be less risky than the disease or the treatment doesn't get approved.

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Quote (SwamiVivekananda @ Oct 6 2021 08:27am)
No it was some young white woman who couldn't give me a straight answer when I asked her the most basic question, "Are all of these vaccines safe".





Maybe you misinterpreted what I was trying to say or I misspoke. 50 million chemicals include what's in cigarettes'/paint/plastic etc. etc. and all of these products have caused harm to people over time. Of course are lifespans have increased since the 1700's but there's many other contributing factors there.

An example would be the weed-killer Roundup. No one who was using that suspected that if it got on their skin it would lead to cancer in some cases.

Another example would be me when I was 8-12 years old thinking EVERY product in a grocery store was 100% safe. They're not but still FDA approved.



I appreciate this post but I stand by the fact that not everything in vaccines is safe(hence the insert)(hence the clinical trials where someone has a negative adverse event). You always say things like, "Well 90 percent is good and those things are rare events".

So let me ask you another question. If someone you knew/love/care about was paralyzed or developed an illness as a direct result of vaccine/medical intervention would you still stand behind the "science". Or would you consider that person collateral for the betterment of science.

I hope you and all of the other people in this thread bashing me for not taking a vaccine go and sign up for clinical trials and take the next experimental injection "in the name of science". I mean you love science so much why don't you just let them test all of this on you. You know the science has your back and nothing bad could possibly happen to you and you would be adding to the data pool. Sounds like something yall would be down with.



For someone who says fear does not dictate your actions/life, you sure like using fear to dictate your arguments lol
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Oct 6 2021 10:09am
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For someone who says fear does not dictate your actions/life, you sure like using fear to dictate your arguments lol


lol exactly, i dont know which chemicals are bad in which vaccines but based on non-vaccine chemicals i fear all chemicals so i fear all vaccines, and also didnt get them from the time i was a child because my parents are whackos so i was deeply indoctrinated but im going to pretend my stance is based on research and not at all a permanent fixture of my personality thanks to what amounts to child abuse.
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Oct 6 2021 11:34am
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Not an argument.


So Kaepernick starts taking knee's for African Americans while accepting a Nike sponsorship which is a company known for exploiting their workforce. You are right it's a non-argument.

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It's not 90% lol. It's 100% with adverse events being like 0.001%.

Yes, even if somebody I personally knew had a serious adverse reaction I'd still recommend vaccination. Dude, again, nobody has ever claimed vaccines have zero adverse reactions or zero risk. The fact is it's far less risky than getting Covid. That's all of medicine. The treatment has to be less risky than the disease or the treatment doesn't get approved.


I meant to say 99% but I figured I'd let you throw more numbers at me. I didn't expect you to say 100%(not statistically possible) but I knew you'd say the 0.000000000001

Quote (MrSK @ 6 Oct 2021 10:58)
For someone who says fear does not dictate your actions/life, you sure like using fear to dictate your arguments lol


Fear is the enemy of every sovereign being on Earth and the weapon of every tyrant. I believe I have the right to say no to an experimental injection. I would never support the medical tyranny I'm seeing now. Forced vaccines so people can keep their job, travel, etc. Totally wrong on many levels(moral/ethical)



Quote (thesnipa @ 6 Oct 2021 11:09)
lol exactly, i dont know which chemicals are bad in which vaccines but based on non-vaccine chemicals i fear all chemicals so i fear all vaccines, and also didnt get them from the time i was a child because my parents are whackos so i was deeply indoctrinated but im going to pretend my stance is based on research and not at all a permanent fixture of my personality thanks to what amounts to child abuse.


You misinterpret what I say almost every time and maybe I do the same to you because we have differing opinions. But if you think the addition of 50 million chemicals was good for the planet as a whole you're an idiot. I could list hundreds of examples from oil spills to fracking disasters, pollution, etc. etc.

I'll stop posting in this thread since it's a political cartoon thread and maybe I took it off topic. I'll make a post in the next couple days with a body of evidence you guys won't be able to refute. So you can see that I "follow the science" too.

Trust me I don't make this shit up as I go along I got most of these opinions from well established journals and scientific studies. I was too lazy at first to start linking every statement I made but I will from this point forward.

Thanks for the engaging discussions and I apologize if I offended any of you with my view on things.

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Oct 6 2021 11:36am
Quote (SwamiVivekananda @ Oct 6 2021 12:34pm)
I meant to say 99% but I figured I'd let you throw more numbers at me. I didn't expect you to say 100%(not statistically possible) but I knew you'd say the 0.000000000001


Doesn't really matter. The numbers are out there. Believe it or not, but safety data for vaccines is public information and taken very seriously. They will even go out of their way to remove compounds like thimerosol because public opinion is against it even if there is no evidence to support the concern.
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