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Oct 5 2021 07:11am
Quote (Sioux @ Oct 5 2021 01:07am)
You think there are 15000 vaccine deaths in America? I didn't realize we can just make up facts to support our opinions. The article I linked from JAMA would have identified 15000 deaths above average mortality rates if they were real.

If there's really that many deaths, find concrete proof, blow the whistle and save lives instead of shit-posting on the internet in between jerk off sessions. Like you think there's a single researcher who wouldn't blow that whistle if they had actual proof of any of the insane conspiracies being floated around?



USA doesnt have a system to track adverse reactions. The UK does.
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Quote (EndlessSky @ Oct 5 2021 08:11am)
USA doesnt have a system to track adverse reactions. The UK does.


:rofl:

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Oct 5 2021 09:34am
Quote (Black XistenZ @ Oct 5 2021 06:24am)
Uh, I think you flipped around the words and actually wanted to say "the risk of getting covid massively outweighs the risk presented by the vaccines, for every age group". ;)
Assuming this is the statement you actually wanted to make, it is blatantly false. The health benefit for minors has been found to exceed the risks/potential harm only marginally, to the point that the Advisory Boards on Vaccinations in various countries, among them the UK and Germany, hesitated a long time before issuing a general recommendation for the 12-15 year olds - and when they did, they justified this recommendation not with the health benefit of the vaccines for kids this age, but rather with the protection against disruption to their education. In other words: the vaccines were recommended to youngsters not because they need it to be protected from covid, but rather to prevent their schools from being closed again by governments.
This is what the British Joint Committee on Vaccination and Immunisation (JCVI) had to say to secretary of health Sajid Javid:
https://www.reuters.com/world/uk/britains-top-medics-recommend-12-15-year-olds-get-covid-vaccine-2021-09-13/
https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/universal-vaccination-of-children-and-young-people-aged-12-to-15-years-against-covid-19/universal-vaccination-of-children-and-young-people-aged-12-to-15-years-against-covid-19
This, but unironically!


Fine, amend to "benefits of vaccination massively outweighs risks in all studied groups older than 15, where it is only marginal because of the low risk of death and side effects in those groups".
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I've never claimed to be a doctor. Clinical trials were complete before the vaccines were made public. The side effects were made available to the public.

You're saying a lot of easily disprovable things. Why do you think that is? If you're not gullible then surely you wouldn't be just repeating things you've heard that have no basis in reality.


You just dodge everything I say because you're a phony cringe wannabe intellectual.

You don't think you're gullible when vaccine companies void of litigation tell you yeah all of these are safe and effective when the VAERS system gives you DATA that is evidence to the contrary? Your defense is "anyone can submit to vaers" then you pussyfoot around and pretend like a majority of those vaers reports were "fake". You try and put VAERS in the same sentence as WIKIPEDIA like, "anyone can edit it" when the vaers system is run directly through the CDC. The other thing that maybe evades you is the fact that most people are so conditioned/brainwashed where they wouldn't submit to vaers just because they refuse to believe the injection they took is responsible for the side effects they are experiencing. It has to be the "unvaccinatedz" fault!

You are defending warp-speed vaccines that were PUSHED through clinical trials because the entire world was in a total state of panic/fear. Do you also believe vaccines are far more effective then antibodies?

If you eat healthy, exercise, drink plenty of water, and get Vitamin D(natural sunlight) there's no reason for you to believe that Covid is a threat to you. I have a huge family and many of them got Covid and recovered and were totally fine. The only ones who experienced difficulties had co-morbidities( overweight/drinkers).

Half of my family is pro-vaccine the other half isn't so I have some pretty intense arguments with family about this topic.

Just like you I try and read up on new evidence/all evidence available to try and see what's right for the health of the loved ones I care about.

I'm not trying to insult you I'm just telling you my opinion differs is all.
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Quote (MrSK @ 4 Oct 2021 23:25)
You realize there’s legal cannabis delivery that pays taxes? Oh you wouldn’t know that since it doesn’t line up with your anecdotal evidence huh :rofl:


Link me to the companies doing "legal cannabis delivery"(not pickups). Pretty sure it's illegal at a federal level and they can't do that maybe your state is different from mine(Illinois).

Quote (Sioux @ 4 Oct 2021 22:42)
Good thing we have an actual data analysis instead of regurgitating your uncle's foxnews repost on facebook. The vaccines have very low rates of serious adverse events. The MMR vaccine has a higher rate of adverse events.

https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2784015


Don't use Facebook. Never watch "Foxnews". Thanks for bringing up the data though that proves "some" of the vaccines have higher rates of adverse events instead of just believing every single different vaccine(Phizer/Moderna/J n J/ Russiaz/ Chinaz) is 100 percent safe and effective(which is not true in case you were wondering)

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Quote (SwamiVivekananda @ Oct 5 2021 12:22pm)
You just dodge everything I say because you're a phony cringe wannabe intellectual.

You don't think you're gullible when vaccine companies void of litigation tell you yeah all of these are safe and effective when the VAERS system gives you DATA that is evidence to the contrary? Your defense is "anyone can submit to vaers" then you pussyfoot around and pretend like a majority of those vaers reports were "fake". You try and put VAERS in the same sentence as WIKIPEDIA like, "anyone can edit it" when the vaers system is run directly through the CDC. The other thing that maybe evades you is the fact that most people are so conditioned/brainwashed where they wouldn't submit to vaers just because they refuse to believe the injection they took is responsible for the side effects they are experiencing. It has to be the "unvaccinatedz" fault!

You are defending warp-speed vaccines that were PUSHED through clinical trials because the entire world was in a total state of panic/fear. Do you also believe vaccines are far more effective then antibodies?

If you eat healthy, exercise, drink plenty of water, and get Vitamin D(natural sunlight) there's no reason for you to believe that Covid is a threat to you. I have a huge family and many of them got Covid and recovered and were totally fine. The only ones who experienced difficulties had co-morbidities( overweight/drinkers).

Half of my family is pro-vaccine the other half isn't so I have some pretty intense arguments with family about this topic.

Just like you I try and read up on new evidence/all evidence available to try and see what's right for the health of the loved ones I care about.

I'm not trying to insult you I'm just telling you my opinion differs is all.


1% of healthcare workers or less are anti-vaccines.

so of course u can find 1% of literature that's against vaccines.

ironically 1% or so of healthy people still have bad complications from Covid. the same group that could get a benefit from vaccines and have less severe symptoms if they get a breakthrough, OR would have adverse reactions to the vaccine and then be flagged as a higher risk if they get covid and seek medical attention sooner if they get covid before it gets bad.

in any case the studies seem clear

Vaccines < short term natural immunity < natural immunity + vaccines
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Oct 5 2021 11:36am
Quote (SwamiVivekananda @ Oct 5 2021 12:22pm)
You just dodge everything I say because you're a phony cringe wannabe intellectual.

You don't think you're gullible when vaccine companies void of litigation tell you yeah all of these are safe and effective when the VAERS system gives you DATA that is evidence to the contrary? Your defense is "anyone can submit to vaers" then you pussyfoot around and pretend like a majority of those vaers reports were "fake". You try and put VAERS in the same sentence as WIKIPEDIA like, "anyone can edit it" when the vaers system is run directly through the CDC. The other thing that maybe evades you is the fact that most people are so conditioned/brainwashed where they wouldn't submit to vaers just because they refuse to believe the injection they took is responsible for the side effects they are experiencing. It has to be the "unvaccinatedz" fault!

You are defending warp-speed vaccines that were PUSHED through clinical trials because the entire world was in a total state of panic/fear. Do you also believe vaccines are far more effective then antibodies?

If you eat healthy, exercise, drink plenty of water, and get Vitamin D(natural sunlight) there's no reason for you to believe that Covid is a threat to you. I have a huge family and many of them got Covid and recovered and were totally fine. The only ones who experienced difficulties had co-morbidities( overweight/drinkers).

Half of my family is pro-vaccine the other half isn't so I have some pretty intense arguments with family about this topic.

Just like you I try and read up on new evidence/all evidence available to try and see what's right for the health of the loved ones I care about.

I'm not trying to insult you I'm just telling you my opinion differs is all.


I see you didn't actually address anything I said, instead you opted to make a bunch of insults and straw-man my position.

VAERS reports are not verified reports. If you want to back up that "it has so many side effects" then you should look at the scientific literature and find verified reports.

Nobody has ever claimed there are no side effects. I work at a medical school with a bunch of physicians and soon-to-be physicians. I am well aware of the actual side effects of the vaccines, and I am also very well aware of the quality of clinical trial that went into these vaccines. You seem to be facebook informed and reject easily verified information.
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Quote (thesnipa @ 5 Oct 2021 12:30)
1% of healthcare workers or less are anti-vaccines. (Hard statistic to prove considering doctors have incentives to give patients vaccines)

so of course u can find 1% of literature that's against vaccines.

ironically 1% or so of healthy people still have bad complications from Covid. the same group that could get a benefit from vaccines and have less severe symptoms if they get a breakthrough, OR would have adverse reactions to the vaccine and then be flagged as a higher risk if they get covid and seek medical attention sooner if they get covid before it gets bad.

in any case the studies seem clear

Vaccines < short term natural immunity < natural immunity + vaccines


I have never taken a vaccine in my entire life and I never will. I'm 31 and in great health and I have no reason to believe I should change my approach to MY health because of the recommendations of industries that make money off people being sick(Healthcare/Pharma)

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Quote (NetflixAdaptationWidow @ 5 Oct 2021 12:36)
I see you didn't actually address anything I said, instead you opted to make a bunch of insults and straw-man my position.

VAERS reports are not verified reports. If you want to back up that "it has so many side effects" then you should look at the scientific literature and find verified reports.

Nobody has ever claimed there are no side effects. I work at a medical school with a bunch of physicians and soon-to-be physicians. I am well aware of the actual side effects of the vaccines, and I am also very well aware of the quality of clinical trial that went into these vaccines. You seem to be facebook informed and reject easily verified information.


Most of the clinical trials do not go out 6 months/1 year/ 3 years/5 years AT ALL. It's admitted that the data you say is THERE actually won't be there until 2023(long term studies) which is of huge importance imo.

So you supported Trump when he gave warp-speed approval to all of these vaccines? :bonk: :wallbash: :rofl:

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