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Oct 4 2021 09:42pm
Quote (SwamiVivekananda @ Oct 4 2021 07:11pm)
So are you saying that the VAERS system was bombarded with a bunch of "fake" adverse events? Or do you just refuse to believe that the first initial vaccines had a high number of adverse events?

If you really are a doctor then common sense would tell you that early administration of vaccines prior to clinical trials would directly result in such a skewed number to the upside.

You were gullible enough to take an experimental injection and probably didn't ask for the insert to inform yourself on potential side effects. Doesn't surprise me one bit to be honest.

Have fun paying off your student loans kid.


Good thing we have an actual data analysis instead of regurgitating your uncle's foxnews repost on facebook. The vaccines have very low rates of serious adverse events. The MMR vaccine has a higher rate of adverse events.

https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2784015
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Oct 4 2021 10:25pm
Quote (SwamiVivekananda @ Oct 4 2021 07:11pm)
Imagine having disposable income that you don't give to random street dealers and instead pay the taxes on your cannabis because you care about your community and you're involved in the local politics to know that the money goes to underprivileged schools.

Odd flex though, "I get my weed delivered". What are you 14?



So are you saying that the VAERS system was bombarded with a bunch of "fake" adverse events? Or do you just refuse to believe that the first initial vaccines had a high number of adverse events?

If you really are a doctor then common sense would tell you that early administration of vaccines prior to clinical trials would directly result in such a skewed number to the upside.

You were gullible enough to take an experimental injection and probably didn't ask for the insert to inform yourself on potential side effects. Doesn't surprise me one bit to be honest.

Have fun paying off your student loans kid.



You realize there’s legal cannabis delivery that pays taxes? Oh you wouldn’t know that since it doesn’t line up with your anecdotal evidence huh :rofl:
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Oct 4 2021 10:30pm
Quote (NetflixAdaptationWidow @ Oct 4 2021 10:30pm)
I've never claimed to be a doctor. Clinical trials were complete before the vaccines were made public. The side effects were made available to the public.

You're saying a lot of easily disprovable things. Why do you think that is? If you're not gullible then surely you wouldn't be just repeating things you've heard that have no basis in reality.


Adverse vaccine events are banned from social media and big pharma bribes media companies to keep their mouths shut.

Quote (Sioux @ Oct 4 2021 11:42pm)
Good thing we have an actual data analysis instead of regurgitating your uncle's foxnews repost on facebook. The vaccines have very low rates of serious adverse events. The MMR vaccine has a higher rate of adverse events.

https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2784015


There are tens of thousands in the UK alone.

From strokes to bell's palsy.

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Oct 4 2021 10:49pm
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Adverse vaccine events are banned from social media and big pharma bribes media companies to keep their mouths shut.

There are tens of thousands in the UK alone.

From strokes to bell's palsy.


Nobody has ever claimed there are no adverse events. However the risk of the vaccine massively outweighs the risk of getting covid for every age group that's been studied so far.

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Oct 4 2021 10:58pm
Quote (NetflixAdaptationWidow @ Oct 5 2021 12:49am)
Nobody has ever claimed there are no adverse events. However the risk of the vaccine massively outweighs the risk of getting covid for every age group that's been studied so far.


If there are 15000 vaccine deaths in the USA.

And there are 500,000 COVID deaths "total".

But hospitals use COVID as the cause of death even when it is not the most important comorbidity. 96% of COVID cases have multiple comorbidities. So the actual number of COVID deaths is ~40,000.

So the vaccine killed about half as many people as COVID.

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If there are 15000 vaccine deaths in the USA.

And there are 500,000 COVID deaths "total".

But hospitals use COVID as the cause of death even when it is not the most important comorbidity. 96% of COVID cases have multiple comorbidities. So the actual number of COVID deaths is ~40,000.

So the vaccine killed about half as many people as COVID.


That's some garbage math lol

You are assuming "has a comorbidity" means "Covid was the most significant comorbidity". You don't get to make that distinction. The cause of death is determined by the doctor who treated the patient or the pathologist who did the autopsy. Additionally, Covid is known to cause heart problems, so people who have an underlying cardiac issue are going to be killed by Covid even with a manageable comorbidity that could be "more serious".

It's been apparent for a long time that we are actually under-counting deaths, and it can be derived from society wide data. No "cause of death" necessary.
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Oct 4 2021 11:07pm
Quote (EndlessSky @ Oct 4 2021 09:58pm)
If there are 15000 vaccine deaths in the USA.

And there are 500,000 COVID deaths "total".

But hospitals use COVID as the cause of death even when it is not the most important comorbidity. 96% of COVID cases have multiple comorbidities. So the actual number of COVID deaths is ~40,000.

So the vaccine killed about half as many people as COVID.



You think there are 15000 vaccine deaths in America? I didn't realize we can just make up facts to support our opinions. The article I linked from JAMA would have identified 15000 deaths above average mortality rates if they were real.

If there's really that many deaths, find concrete proof, blow the whistle and save lives instead of shit-posting on the internet in between jerk off sessions. Like you think there's a single researcher who wouldn't blow that whistle if they had actual proof of any of the insane conspiracies being floated around?
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Oct 4 2021 11:22pm
Quote (EndlessSky @ Oct 4 2021 09:58pm)
If there are 15000 vaccine deaths in the USA.

And there are 500,000 COVID deaths "total".

But hospitals use COVID as the cause of death even when it is not the most important comorbidity. 96% of COVID cases have multiple comorbidities. So the actual number of COVID deaths is ~40,000.

So the vaccine killed about half as many people as COVID.


where do you find this total BS?
nothing about your "fact" post is real..
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Oct 4 2021 11:23pm
Quote (theCrossbones @ Oct 4 2021 10:22pm)
where do you find this total BS?
nothing about your "fact" post is real..


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Quote (NetflixAdaptationWidow @ 5 Oct 2021 06:49)
Nobody has ever claimed there are no adverse events. However the risk of the vaccine massively outweighs the risk of getting covid for every age group that's been studied so far.


Uh, I think you flipped around the words and actually wanted to say "the risk of getting covid massively outweighs the risk presented by the vaccines, for every age group". ;)

Assuming this is the statement you actually wanted to make, it is blatantly false. The health benefit for minors has been found to exceed the risks/potential harm only marginally, to the point that the Advisory Boards on Vaccinations in various countries, among them the UK and Germany, hesitated a long time before issuing a general recommendation for the 12-15 year olds - and when they did, they justified this recommendation not with the health benefit of the vaccines for kids this age, but rather with the protection against disruption to their education. In other words: the vaccines were recommended to youngsters not because they need it to be protected from covid, but rather to prevent their schools from being closed again by governments.



This is what the British Joint Committee on Vaccination and Immunisation (JCVI) had to say to secretary of health Sajid Javid:

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Overall, the committee is of the opinion that the benefits from vaccination are marginally greater than the potential known harms… but acknowledges that there is considerable uncertainty regarding the magnitude of the potential harms. The margin of benefit, based primarily on a health perspective, is considered too small to support advice on a universal programme of vaccination of otherwise healthy 12 to 15-year-old children at this time…. JCVI is constituted with expertise to allow consideration of the health benefits and risks of vaccination and it is not within its remit to incorporate in-depth considerations on wider societal impacts, including educational benefits. The government may wish to seek further views on the wider societal and educational impacts from the Chief Medical Officers of the 4 nations, with representation from JCVI in these subsequent discussions.




https://www.reuters.com/world/uk/britains-top-medics-recommend-12-15-year-olds-get-covid-vaccine-2021-09-13/
https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/universal-vaccination-of-children-and-young-people-aged-12-to-15-years-against-covid-19/universal-vaccination-of-children-and-young-people-aged-12-to-15-years-against-covid-19





Quote (Sioux @ 5 Oct 2021 03:05)
Biden should just come out and say unvaccinated republicans shouldn't get vaccinated because every death is a net gain for democrats in 2022/2024. Those anti-vaxxers would start tripping over themselves for the vaccine

This, but unironically!


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