"Not wearing a mask puts others at risk" is not a valid argument unless a rough quantification of this risk is provided. To how much additional risk do maskless people actually expose their fully vaccinated fellows? And how high is this extra risk if the maskless person itself is also fully vaccinated?

Your line of reasoning becomes akin to the (bs) argument that "driving faster than 10 mph puts others at unnecessary risk". Or that "smoking at the bus station should be prohibited because it puts bystanders at risk of developing lung cancer".
Simply put, asking others to sacrifice personal comfort to squeeze out every last bit of risk protection becomes impracticable after a certain point.

So does not wearing a helmet.



Thank you for the more explored answer.

This post was edited by EndlessSky on Oct 2 2021 04:40pm

its almost like existing in this world does come with risks, one way or the other, some serious, others not so much

so beautiful. maybe it was a kindergarten.

96% of them died of obesity or COPD. Less than 5% of the deaths were COVID alone.

This post was edited by EndlessSky on Oct 2 2021 05:59pm

Is it? It seems to me that the modern left is very much anti-establishment. The modern left is anti police, anti imperialism, anti corporation, etc. Perhaps you're using the term "modern left" in a very broad sense and including moderate Democrats and Republicans?

Mmmmh, I should probably distinguish a bit more between the factions. Technically, the political left encompasses everything to the left of the middle, from Conor Lamb to Cori Bush, from Doug Jones to Bernie Sanders. Maybe our misunderstanding comes from the different terminology you Americans like to use, with "liberal" denoting cookie-cutter leftism and "left" sometimes being used to specifically refer to bold, radical progressives. (Perhaps I should have used the term "modern liberalism" instead of "modern left".)



You're of course right that a big chunk of the activist base and the insurgent left fringe of the Democratic party are still anti-establishment and reject the state's current institutions. But these types don't represent the average lefty voter. Politicians and activists are more ideologically extreme and consistent than ordinary citizens/voters. I would estimate that my characterization of the modern left fits at least 80% of the left-of-center voters. They love their CNN/CBS/NPR, they don't reject the state and rather want it to play a stronger, more active role in their lives, are fine with woke virtue signalling in movies, films and ads, etc.

It should also be noted that culture and the Democratic establishment have zoomed to the left on most issues over the past few years, so that their positioning on the issues has become a lot more palatable to lefty voters than it used to be.

This post was edited by Black XistenZ on Oct 2 2021 06:34pm

Stop being intentionally stupid. Driving slowly reduces utility. Masking doesnt. If you think about your example for two seconds you realize how dumb it is, and you're not that dumb, so I can only conclude you're being stupid on purpose to defend shit you know is wrong, like you often do

tbh

wtf lol?!

Of course masking reduces utility in social interactions. Or the utility of doing whatever activity while it's very hot.
It also hampers everyday life for lots of persons wearing glasses.

You incorrectly assume that just because you are not bothered by masks at all, this must automatically mean that everyone else has to feel the same way (or be a gigantic pussy).