Quote (Black XistenZ @ Sep 29 2021 06:46pm)

That's missing the point. When there is a vaccine which brings down the individual risk of hospitalization or death to a sufficiently[1] low level, then covid being contagious is no longer a valid argument since everyone has the tools to protect himself.
The dampening effect of the vaccines on the spread of covid relies on as many people as possible being vaccinated. By contrast, the self-protection aspect of the vaccines does not rely on others being vaccinated. (And the stopping-the-spread aspect is out of the window anyway since the arrival of Delta.)


Hence, the pervasive reasoning that "everyone needs to be vaccinated for my vaccination to protect me" is either plain wrong, or it is implying that the vaccines' protection against hospitalization and death is lower than advertised.





[1]that is, a risk level which society has - when it comes to a wide array of other, older contagious diseases - accepted as not worthy of implementing mitigating measures or being treated as a collective (as opposed to an individual) health risk

Quote (Black XistenZ @ 30 Sep 2021 01:46)

That's missing the point. When there is a vaccine which brings down the individual risk of hospitalization or death to a sufficiently[1] low level, then covid being contagious is no longer a valid argument since everyone has the tools to protect himself.
The dampening effect of the vaccines on the spread of covid relies on as many people as possible being vaccinated. By contrast, the self-protection aspect of the vaccines does not rely on others being vaccinated. (And the stopping-the-spread aspect is out of the window anyway since the arrival of Delta.)


Hence, the pervasive reasoning that "everyone needs to be vaccinated for my vaccination to protect me" is either plain wrong, or it is implying that the vaccines' protection against hospitalization and death is lower than advertised.





[1]that is, a risk level which society has - when it comes to a wide array of other, older contagious diseases - accepted as not worthy of implementing mitigating measures or being treated as a collective (as opposed to an individual) health risk

Quote (NetflixAdaptationWidow @ Sep 29 2021 07:52pm)

Bruh, dont be so much of a hack. You're going to break your back bending over that far to defend the dumbest politician currently in office.

Quote (NetflixAdaptationWidow @ 30 Sep 2021 01:52)

Bruh, dont be so much of a hack. You're going to break your back bending over that far to defend the dumbest politician currently in office.

Quote (Black XistenZ @ Sep 29 2021 06:18pm)

I'm not bending over backwards, I'm just pointing out the logic behind her analogy which you guys seemingly all failed to understand. :rolleyes:

Quote (thundercock @ 29 Sep 2021 23:06)

Pretty sure there's no logic. She's a fucking moron who got knocked up in high school and got her GED (high school diploma equivalent b/c she's a dropout) in her mid 30s. But hey, this is what you people support. Maybe we should have them designing BMWs, leading projects at Siemens, etc.

Quote (excellence @ Sep 29 2021 08:25pm)

yeah because all those overly educated lifelong swamp demons in our govt and in influential positions (media, entertainment, sports etc.) have done such a bang-up job. We had a prominent business running a show where they were saying Jill Biden should be surgeon general due to her being a “hell of a doctor”

education is critical, unfortunately our society has decided to eviscerate it at every level for the last 18+’months. And before that the government decided it was in “our best interests” to make it increasingly more expensive every year without improving the quality or starting salary in any sort of reasonable ratio with the price hikes

one powerless GED-holding rep who chose not to execute her offspring (im pro choice) is hardly something to worry about. its rather funny the lefties making her and majorie out to be the new “boogeyman”

Quote (JohnnyMcCoy @ 30 Sep 2021 12:27)

meanwhile in germany most children still get abused with masks and having to sit distanced in the class room despite their covid risk being zero, but for the new nobility rules dont apply

our new social democrat group posing in parliament

https://bilder.bild.de/fotos-skaliert/das-gruppenfoto-der-spd-bundestagsfraktion-am-rechten-bildrand-karl-lauterbach-mit-maske-c96fe33fd65a4f7ab626650ecbdc5364-77826952/6,w=1986,q=low,c=0.bild.jpg

fun fact: at least officially masks are mandatory there

Quote (Saucisson6000 @ Sep 30 2021 02:33pm)

I know it's a challenge for you but try to handle facts please.

children %vaccinatoin rate. (people in picture are probably almost all vaccinated)
children behaviours (they touch each others all the time)
time of exposition (all journey vs photo)

Don't do this again