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Nov 6 2023 01:30pm
Quote (Handcuffs @ Nov 6 2023 10:55am)
What is taking place that you think reflects genocide?


lets look at six factors

Intergroup tensions or patterns of discrimination against protected groups. ✅

Signs of an intent to destroy in whole or in part a protected group. ✅

Signs of widespread or systematic attacks against the civilian population. ✅

Serious threats to those protected under international humanitarian law. ✅

Stern threats to humanitarian or peacekeeping operations. ✅

Dehumanization.✅


lets also look at an IDF report that was leaked a little while back

https://www.peoplesworld.org/article/nakba-again-leaked-documents-confirm-israeli-plan-to-push-palestinians-into-egypt/

its 100% clear that Israel intends to bomb and bulldoze people off of their land permanently starting in the north and slowly working their way south. they plan to intentionally displace Palestinians and force them over to Egypt

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The Intelligence Ministry recommends creating “a sterile zone of several kilometers inside Egypt and not allow the population to return to activity or residence near the Israeli border”—a forever no-man’s land.

The authors of the policy document say it is absolutely necessary to “motivate” Palestinians to agree to leave and give up their lands via a sustained propaganda effort. “The messages should revolve around the loss of the land, making clear that there is no longer any hope of returning to the territories that Israel will occupy in the near future,” it says.

The ministry clumsily envisions using residents’ adherence to Islam to convince them to leave. “Allah made sure that you lost this land because of the leadership of Hamas,” a draft script says. “There is no choice but to move to another place with the help of your Muslim brothers.”

It also calls for the international community, especially Israel’s top ally, the United States, to help implement the expulsion by putting the squeeze on Egyptian dictator Abdel Fattah al-Sisi to accept Israel’s demands.

Washington is also expected to pressure countries like Greece, Spain, Turkey, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, the U.A.E., and others to take in refugees since it’s not expected that Egypt would take them all. Canada, in particular, is targeted by the ministry for what the document calls its “lenient” immigration policies.


I dont see anything that Israel is doing that leads me to believe they arent trying to commit genocide of the Palestinian people , its been Netanyahu's ethno-fascist dream for decades
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Nov 6 2023 01:33pm
Quote (gnarjay @ Nov 6 2023 09:30pm)
lets look at six factors

Intergroup tensions or patterns of discrimination against protected groups. ✅

Signs of an intent to destroy in whole or in part a protected group. ✅

Signs of widespread or systematic attacks against the civilian population. ✅

Serious threats to those protected under international humanitarian law. ✅

Stern threats to humanitarian or peacekeeping operations. ✅

Dehumanization.✅


lets also look at an IDF report that was leaked a little while back

https://www.peoplesworld.org/article/nakba-again-leaked-documents-confirm-israeli-plan-to-push-palestinians-into-egypt/

its 100% clear that Israel intends to bomb and bulldoze people off of their land permanently starting in the north and slowly working their way south. they plan to intentionally displace Palestinians and force them over to Egypt



I dont see anything that Israel is doing that leads me to believe they arent trying to commit genocide of the Palestinian people , its been Netanyahu's ethno-fascist dream for decades


For a second there I was sure you are writing about the Palestinians lol
Do you even know what they teach them at schools and what they watch on TV ? Talking about dehumanisation lol
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Nov 6 2023 01:38pm
Quote (gnarjay @ Nov 6 2023 07:30pm)
lets look at six factors

Intergroup tensions or patterns of discrimination against protected groups. ✅

Signs of an intent to destroy in whole or in part a protected group. ✅

Signs of widespread or systematic attacks against the civilian population. ✅

Serious threats to those protected under international humanitarian law. ✅

Stern threats to humanitarian or peacekeeping operations. ✅

Dehumanization.✅


lets also look at an IDF report that was leaked a little while back

https://www.peoplesworld.org/article/nakba-again-leaked-documents-confirm-israeli-plan-to-push-palestinians-into-egypt/

its 100% clear that Israel intends to bomb and bulldoze people off of their land permanently starting in the north and slowly working their way south. they plan to intentionally displace Palestinians and force them over to Egypt



I dont see anything that Israel is doing that leads me to believe they arent trying to commit genocide of the Palestinian people , its been Netanyahu's ethno-fascist dream for decades


"Signs of an intent to destroy in whole or in part a protected group."

Not true. Israel could probably do that if it wanted too. It clearly doesn't.

The irony is you basically just posted Hamas' manifesto. :unsure:

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"Signs of an intent to destroy in whole or in part a protected group."

Not true. Israel could probably do that if it wanted too. It clearly doesn't.

The irony is you basically just posted Hamas' manifesto. :unsure:


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Nov 6 2023 02:36pm
Quote (Prox1m1ty @ Nov 6 2023 11:38am)
"Signs of an intent to destroy in whole or in part a protected group."

Not true. Israel could probably do that if it wanted too. It clearly doesn't.

The irony is you basically just posted Hamas' manifesto. :unsure:


the difference is Palestinians/Hamas dont really have the ability to wipe Israel out, while Israel does and IS carrying out mass murder.
there is actually an extreme similarity ideology-wise between the IDF and Hamas, They are both terrorist groups but one is state-sponsored with a modern military

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I am not convinced on this point. I mean, settlements has been a bone of contention for years(decades) now right? i dont see it as allowing passively, i see it as willfully having a policy of displacement. I am happy to be refuted on this point.


I mean, there's little proximate harm to Palestinians in the West Bank from settlements existing. The violence between them is mutual enough it can't be portrayed as one-sided, and they all stay in their segregated enclaves either way. The real supposed harm is that long term obstruction to a two state solution, that's what's always been the issue with settlements, and Israel didn't really start ramping up the settlements again until long after the 2SS became dead and buried. So is there a real harm, if the main objection is premised in how it stops an already totally unworkable pipe dream?
If someone could give you a magical tablet of power that lets you scry into the future and you find out a Palestinian state will never come to exist within the next 200 years, are settlements still as problematic?

The West Bank and Gaza can't be reunited in our lifetimes, the PA and Hamas too far apart, they can't even hold elections, there's no world in which Israel can abide an armed and sovereign palestinian state even before 10/7 and now its laughable. The Palestinians have been this religiously motivated to violence even with a perfectly preserved status quo at the temple mount, using al-aqsa as their battle cry- god knows the fate of Jerusalem as the capitol of Israel can't possibly be recognized.
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the difference is Palestinians/Hamas dont really have the ability to wipe Israel out, while Israel does and IS carrying out mass murder.
there is actually an extreme similarity ideology-wise between the IDF and Hamas, They are both terrorist groups but one is state-sponsored with a modern military


Perhaps that is true but intent is everything here.
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Nov 6 2023 03:03pm
this is the state of leftie activists in germany

left wing extremist podcaster tilo jung posing with palestinian "activist" ahed tamimi and talking about a one state solution



then she went ahead and posted what you can see in the center (totally normal and reasonable rofl) and now she got arrested

its a shame for legitimate activists, but for most of them you just gotta scratch the surface to find a cesspool
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Nov 6 2023 03:12pm
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this is the state of leftie activists in germany

left wing extremist podcaster tilo jung posing with palestinian "activist" ahed tamimi and talking about a one state solution

https://abload.de/img/20231106_215554kmfhe.jpg

then she went ahead and posted what you can see in the center (totally normal and reasonable rofl) and now she got arrested

its a shame for legitimate activists, but for most of them you just gotta scratch the surface to find a cesspool


Happy halloween, Adolf

https://www.france24.com/en/live-news/20231106-palestinian-activist-ahed-tamimi-arrested-for-inciting-terror-israeli-army

The activist's mother, Nariman al-Tamimi, denied she wrote the post.
"There are dozens of (online) pages in Ahed's name with her photo, with which she has no connection," Tamimi told AFP.


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Happy halloween, Adolf


you had halloween going for years without end in your d2jsp profile before being called out and shamefully changing your fake gender back to Male
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