Don't you know? Everybody wants to work at Wendy's for $15 an hour, 1k a month health insurance, and no opportunity for advancement. That's definitely a professional job that all should consider if they aren't working. It is definitely economically feasible for them to work 40 hours at this job instead of hunt for a better one.

U said:



I said:



you then spent pages "explaining" consequences of UBI i said up front i was aware of, and were only preferable to starvation and riots. and i said "will create" implying a future time, not the modern shortage of labor your article was about, then pages later u said "who cares about 2050 politics". i do, and i told you that was what i was talking about up front. you just didnt read for context, u played the "why wont people only talk about my article" game, when u broadened the context with your above UBI quote, which i tried for pages to discuss, only to be told I brought it up (false), and that im for extreme measures (false), and to have my pragmatic plan ignored post after post (see this thread) and be strawmanned on what my stances are and revise history about who brought what up.

you spent days telling me what i am for in 2021 and how left i am, when the whole time i was telling u im future proofing and you're way off. u just ignored that post after post, got pro china, then lied about me bringing UBI up.

if u want some actual expert analysis on factory labor in regards to your article tho i can provide, just ask nicely. maybe admit the above is about right and that you saw red and charged. likely due to ur article getting ignored, then cry.

This post was edited by thesnipa on May 6 2021 10:03am

You do know that restaurant and hotel margins are extremely low right?

Don't worry, eventually, employers will get there and you will be paying NYC prices on a reuben in 2022 Ohio. And once again we'll be at square one with you crying how the world is not fair and the $15 dollar minimum wage is not enough and it needs to be $20 only for the inflation cycle to repeat.

your idiotic binary of UBI or starvation should have been a signal to me not to engage. Forgive me for trying to explain it to you.

Also, you working in a factory doesn't make you an expert my man, just like me working in finance doesn't give me the authority to call myself an expert in all things finances related. Settle down with the self-importance.

This post was edited by ofthevoid on May 6 2021 10:18am

Except the Crux of the minimum wage argument is that it doesn't pay for a one-bedroom apartment anywhere in the country. It has nothing to do with people buying sandwiches and everything to do with the fact that they can't even afford to exist on the minimum wage

This post was edited by Thor123422 on May 6 2021 10:21am

He's in favor of employers paying higher wages, when they don't he likes the state to step in. Again I know it's difficult but try to think in more than 2 dimensions.

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sandwiches are just one of many effects.

Free money chasing the same amount of good = higher prices. I can point to literally any commodity price between 2020-21 where this is evident.

Do you know why home and apartment prices are going to go up again? Because lumber prices are skyrocketing, because copper prices are skyrocketing, a huge side effect of creating free money.

So when prices go up 2x in a year, because of QE, more QE is not going to result in the same price in the future but theyll continue to go up and continually pricing people out. The government is significantly distorting market equilibrium dynamics right now that's how we end up with millions without a job and millions of job openings that no one wants.

This post was edited by ofthevoid on May 6 2021 10:29am

you think i work in a factory? lol.

The old liberal refrain was that government subsidies, UBI, etc. would not disincentive employment.

I'm glad we've all woken up to the reality that this was obviously, patently untrue.

If you can't afford to pay your employees then you can't afford to stay in business. You aren't entitled to labor you dork lol.




Lol

This post was edited by Skinned on May 6 2021 11:50am

Just adding this to the list of things that have a wealth of evidence that the right refuses to see. Right up there was trans issues, critical race theory, and global warming.

We have studies going all the way back to Nixon that UBI only reduces employment for new mothers and students (both of whom shouldn't be working a lot) and has a ton of benefits to those recieving it and society at large.

You are contradicting the exact point you were making earlier in this thread.