March: "We have to close down the country otherwise millions are going to die. Hospitals will be overwhelmed and we have to flatten the curve."

April: "We see that the virus peaked and deaths, hospitalizations, spread has gone down. We know at this point hospitals won't be overwhelmed but to be safe we should remain closed for a little longer"

May: "Even though virus peaked weeks ago and we know for a fact we've flattened the curve, we should stay closed. If we open more people will die"

June: "If we open more people will die"

July: "If we open more people will die"

August: ""

Like at what point do we make the decision that it's time to aim for herd immunity instead of sitting scared? Yes people will die, but people will die if we open up now or if open 2 months from now and the spread ticks up again. The whole point of the shutdown was to flatten the curve so hospitals can manage, why are people moving the needle? Do people not understand that herd immunity needs to happen slowly?

The whole point of the shutdown is for herd immunity to happen slowly lol

We're barely past the peak, and in some areas not past the peak at all. Once we reduce the number of new infections we can slowly reopen, but reopening was never going to be an over-night process. We're going to have to implement social distancing for a long while to come. If we go back to business as usual tomorrow we will just go exponential again.

We're at 80,000 deaths so far... do you think if Americans would've gone on living their lives as normal since COVID started, we wouldn't approach a million+ deaths in a number of months? If citing the high number is a criticism, please show us how they erred, and what better models are out there.

Plus, instead of writing figures on napkins as you do, I generally rely on the advice of experts in this area. How far after the peak should re-opening be done? Experts need to weigh in on that question, and it has to be balanced by economic concerns, obviously. Not politically motivated retards.


To be honest I'm a little perplexed at what's happening. I hear from many that testing and contact tracing has to be utilized to re-open, yet it seems that it hasn't ramped up anywhere close to where it needs to be. Why is that? I don't want to just kneejerk blame Trump. Maybe there's a legitimate reason. But his messaging so far has been "lol we don't need all that testing, it just makes the US number grow higher", so I'm not sure what to believe.

When you're faced with an administration that is both massively incompetent and constantly lying, it's hard to figure out what's going on.

It was a scam from the start. The Dem's gain too much if they keep us closed longer.

They change the culture to a dependent culture of cowardice. They push people into unemployed dependence. And they crash Trump's economy.

Herd immunity will happen at a much slower rate than it needs to if everything continues to be shutdown. The whole point was to make it manageable for the hospitals not indefinitely delaying it because we’re scared. Avoiding it doesn’t actually solve the issue, what solves this is most people getting antibodies.

Theres stages to opening. If we open up all at once then we will just go exponential again.

Opening up in a slow and controlled fashion ensures that we keep levels manageable as hard immunity develops.

Thats not true though. We arent opening up at all and Democrats are calling for more fascist measures.

A huge chunk of the population already understands the threat and are choosing to take reasonable precautions to protect themselves while still doing the essential business required to manage their basic needs.

The rest of the people aren't going have their minds changed by hearing more recommendations from doctors or orders from politicians. The only way for them to get with the program is to see people close to them get sick.

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if it means just one person doesn’t die we must stay inside until further notice -the #resistance

New York just barely got over it's peak and everybody else is either currently at the peak or still on its way there.

So yeah, not surprising that we aren't opening up much yet.

My work is working on a plan to start opening next week, as are many businesses in my city