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Sep 14 2021 05:53pm
Quote (fender @ 15 Sep 2021 00:48)
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Before the respective governments tried to ramp up the pressure, the vaccination rates were on track to stall out at around 65% in France/Germany/Italy/Austria and several other European countries while they stalled out at around 55% in the U.S. (always referring to the entire population, not just adults). The gap is around 10%, which should be an upper bound on the potential negative impact of the messaging by Trump, GOP officials or Fox News hosts. Given that the U.S. have a higher rate of evangelicals, distrust in the government and institutions, antivaxxers and all-around nutjobs, I think that the rate in the U.S. would have stayed 2-4% below the European level even without this negative influence.

Taken together, this gives a crude estimate of Trump costing the country's vaccination rate somewhere between 6 and 10%.
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Sep 14 2021 06:51pm
Quote (Black XistenZ @ 15 Sep 2021 01:53)
Before the respective governments tried to ramp up the pressure, the vaccination rates were on track to stall out at around 65% in France/Germany/Italy/Austria and several other European countries while they stalled out at around 55% in the U.S. (always referring to the entire population, not just adults). The gap is around 10%, which should be an upper bound on the potential negative impact of the messaging by Trump, GOP officials or Fox News hosts. Given that the U.S. have a higher rate of evangelicals, distrust in the government and institutions, antivaxxers and all-around nutjobs, I think that the rate in the U.S. would have stayed 2-4% below the European level even without this negative influence.

Taken together, this gives a crude estimate of Trump costing the country's vaccination rate somewhere between 6 and 10%.


that's just an elaboration of your personal biased opinion, not a citation of facts. i know you think that's the same, but it isn't. also, covid scepticism and politicisation in europe was heavily influenced by trump and his brand of nationalist right wing rejection of science and experts, so your "control group" is tainted. finally, you can't just pick and choose which government efforts you accept in order to fabricate an apologetic narrative. policies affecting vaccination rates are very much a part of this whole equation, as red states that pander to trump morons clearly illustrate.

also, don't think i missed how you chose germany, france, italy (all three perfectly valid as they are amongst the most populated european nations) and then added austria, rather than the much larger (but unfortunately for you also significantly higher vaccination rates) uk and spain. hacks gonna hack...

a much more honest and useful way to evaluate how trump and the GQP have impacted vaccine hesitancy and science denial is simply comparing republicans with democrats, which many polls actually do - but that, of course, would completely destroy your dumb little 6 to 10 percent narrative:

https://www.kff.org/coronavirus-covid-19/poll-finding/kff-covid-19-vaccine-monitor-july-2021/

all that said, 10% would already be devastating, especially if you consider that it's a criterion that already favours trump, as it looks at america as a whole - meaning it includes the majority that did NOT vote for him...
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Sep 14 2021 07:52pm
Quote (thundercock @ 14 Sep 2021 19:04)
We tried that, right? For the first time in my life, I got free fucking healthcare and corporations throwing free shit at me left and right. If an American can't accept THAT, it's time to bring down the hammer if it makes sense to do so. Biden bringing the hammer down on his constituents is a good thing.

uh not really. paying people who dont want to work is nothing new or unique to covid

how are “his constituents” ‘getting the hammer’ when they’re getting more benefits than ever to do nothing? only people suffering are the people trudging it to their working class jobs.
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Sep 14 2021 08:17pm
Quote (fender @ 15 Sep 2021 02:51)
that's just an elaboration of your personal biased opinion, not a citation of facts. i know you think that's the same, but it isn't. also, covid scepticism and politicisation in europe was heavily influenced by trump and his brand of nationalist right wing rejection of science and experts, so your "control group" is tainted. finally, you can't just pick and choose which government efforts you accept in order to fabricate an apologetic narrative. policies affecting vaccination rates are very much a part of this whole equation, as red states that pander to trump morons clearly illustrate.

also, don't think i missed how you chose germany, france, italy (all three perfectly valid as they are amongst the most populated european nations) and then added austria, rather than the much larger (but unfortunately for you also significantly higher vaccination rates) uk and spain. hacks gonna hack...

a much more honest and useful way to evaluate how trump and the GQP have impacted vaccine hesitancy and science denial is simply comparing republicans with democrats, which many polls actually do - but that, of course, would completely destroy your dumb little 6 to 10 percent narrative:

https://www.kff.org/coronavirus-covid-19/poll-finding/kff-covid-19-vaccine-monitor-july-2021/

all that said, 10% would already be devastating, especially if you consider that it's a criterion that already favours trump, as it looks at america as a whole - meaning it includes the majority that did NOT vote for him...

I am citing facts, lol. Take a look, I thought these numbers were common knowledge:




https://ourworldindata.org/covid-vaccinations

For the record: the UK doesnt actually have a much higher vaccination rate than the other countries, they just started their campaign earlier and were therefore always perceived as having a much higher rate.
I intentionally left out Spain/Portugal and Scandinavia since these countries do indeed have higher rates.

Resorting to the argument that "Trump influenced vaccine hesitancy in Europe" is really pathetic, even for you. :lol:



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a much more honest and useful way to evaluate how trump and the GQP have impacted vaccine hesitancy and science denial is simply comparing republicans with democrats, which many polls actually do - but that, of course, would completely destroy your dumb little 6 to 10 percent narrative:
https://www.kff.org/coronavirus-covid-19/poll-finding/kff-covid-19-vaccine-monitor-july-2021/

Read your own fucking source, lol. Independents, which make up 40% of the American electorate [1] have numbers much closer to those of Republicans than Democrats. The true outlier are registered Democrats. And it should be mentioned that you're citing data from mid- to late-July, before the delta wave truly took off.


[1] https://news.gallup.com/poll/15370/party-affiliation.aspx
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Sep 14 2021 08:39pm
Quote (Black XistenZ @ Sep 15 2021 04:17am)
I am citing facts, lol. Take a look, I thought these numbers were common knowledge:

https://i.imgur.com/AHXuPiE.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/BciSTzr.png

https://ourworldindata.org/covid-vaccinations

For the record: the UK doesnt actually have a much higher vaccination rate than the other countries, they just started their campaign earlier and were therefore always perceived as having a much higher rate.
I intentionally left out Spain/Portugal and Scandinavia since these countries do indeed have higher rates.

Resorting to the argument that "Trump influenced vaccine hesitancy in Europe" is really pathetic, even for you. :lol:




Read your own fucking source, lol. Independents, which make up 40% of the American electorate [1] have numbers much closer to those of Republicans than Democrats. The true outlier are registered Democrats. And it should be mentioned that you're citing data from mid- to late-July, before the delta wave truly took off.


[1] https://news.gallup.com/poll/15370/party-affiliation.aspx


trump is responsible for everything, even vax rates on another continent after being gone for 9 months :rofl:

on topic: our vaccination rate is actually higher, our RKI morons have already admitted that a lot of people are missing in the stats
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Sep 14 2021 10:28pm
Quote (Black XistenZ @ Sep 14 2021 10:17pm)
I am citing facts, lol. Take a look, I thought these numbers were common knowledge:

https://i.imgur.com/AHXuPiE.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/BciSTzr.png

https://ourworldindata.org/covid-vaccinations

For the record: the UK doesnt actually have a much higher vaccination rate than the other countries, they just started their campaign earlier and were therefore always perceived as having a much higher rate.
I intentionally left out Spain/Portugal and Scandinavia since these countries do indeed have higher rates.

Resorting to the argument that "Trump influenced vaccine hesitancy in Europe" is really pathetic, even for you. :lol:




Read your own fucking source, lol. Independents, which make up 40% of the American electorate [1] have numbers much closer to those of Republicans than Democrats. The true outlier are registered Democrats. And it should be mentioned that you're citing data from mid- to late-July, before the delta wave truly took off.


[1] https://news.gallup.com/poll/15370/party-affiliation.aspx


Vaccination numbers past 25% are irrelevant. Less than 1% of the population has a serious case.
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Sep 14 2021 10:36pm
Quote (Black XistenZ @ Sep 14 2021 07:17pm)
I am citing facts, lol. Take a look, I thought these numbers were common knowledge:

https://i.imgur.com/AHXuPiE.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/BciSTzr.png

https://ourworldindata.org/covid-vaccinations

For the record: the UK doesnt actually have a much higher vaccination rate than the other countries, they just started their campaign earlier and were therefore always perceived as having a much higher rate.
I intentionally left out Spain/Portugal and Scandinavia since these countries do indeed have higher rates.

Resorting to the argument that "Trump influenced vaccine hesitancy in Europe" is really pathetic, even for you. :lol:




Read your own fucking source, lol. Independents, which make up 40% of the American electorate [1] have numbers much closer to those of Republicans than Democrats. The true outlier are registered Democrats. And it should be mentioned that you're citing data from mid- to late-July, before the delta wave truly took off.


[1] https://news.gallup.com/poll/15370/party-affiliation.aspx


Pretty embarrassing how we had such a massive head start in terms of vaccinations and we let you guys pass us. Maybe Biden should have leaned into that. "Are you going to let the socialists win!?"
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Sep 14 2021 11:05pm
Quote (thundercock @ Sep 15 2021 12:36am)
Pretty embarrassing how we had such a massive head start in terms of vaccinations and we let you guys pass us. Maybe Biden should have leaned into that. "Are you going to let the socialists win!?"


Lol
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Sep 14 2021 11:40pm
Quote (thundercock @ 15 Sep 2021 06:36)
Pretty embarrassing how we had such a massive head start in terms of vaccinations and we let you guys pass us. Maybe Biden should have leaned into that. "Are you going to let the socialists win!?"


One thing to keep in mind is that your earlier vacinations stopped the alpha-wave in March-April dead in its tracks, so you could return to normal several months before most of Europe, which had heavy restrictions in place until well into May.





I guess this sense of covid being over contributed to people being reluctant or just too lazy to bother with the vaccines. The U.S. reached this point in early to mid June, which lines up nicely with when your vaccination campaign lost steam.
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