i dont really see an era in history thats not similar. drafting young men to die. social security taxes taken out with the promise of a living payout once you retire. lies about the risks of unpasteurized milk. lies about the benefits of corn sugar. etc.

i think we just live in an era where the freedom removal and blowback are so close that we see it more clearly. vietnam took forever for us to get it.

Pretty much all studies which have been conducted on these questions so far have shown the same thing: unlike in the case of the flu, school children are not the drivers of covid waves.

we have two narratives both driving on the same fallacy. anti vaxxers claim that the ability to spread covid even if vaxxed or to catch covid at all invalidates vaccine effectiveness in populations. and that because children are far less likely to get symptoms and spread covid that their ability to spread at all is a non issue.

studies do indeed show that children are less likely to spread covid, but the percent chance that it has in populations of thousands of children is still a valid concern. masks are a valid approach to this, as compared to vaccines, and yet outcry against masks is vitriolic.

YOU were the one who compared the role of children in the transmission of covid with that of mosquitos for diseases like dengue or west nile, i.e. as the main vectors of transmission...

Yes, children can spread the virus to their family members, but according to the latest state of research, this risk is actually lower than that of adults catching the virus at work and transmitting it to their family. So before we force the children, whose own risk from covid is largely negligible, to wear masks all school day long, we should be talking about stricter enforcement of masking and testing at workplaces. But for some reason, these debates are taking a backseat compared to the war of opinions which is fought over schools.

Same story when it comes to vaccinations: getting the vaccination rate among seniors 10% higher will do more to prevent deaths and protect the hospitals than going from 0% to 100% among school children. It's the elderly and the middle-aged adults where we must really close the vaccination gaps, not the 12-15 year olds, let alone the 0-12 age group.

This post was edited by Black XistenZ on Sep 13 2021 12:34pm

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your post reads as if you're not only pro vaccine mandate but also pro mask mandate in the workplace. i didnt realize you were pro-biden on that front.

if we have vaccinated adults (we dont in many places) and we have masked adults (we never will in many places) we'll be left with unvaccinated (that probably shouldnt be) and unmasked (that should be) children. children can get the disease, children are largely asymptomatic, and asymptomatic people can spread the disease. they should be masked in schools at least from age 6-10+.

my point wasnt that they're the main vector, it was that they're a vector people seem especially against controlling given the recent slew of livid parents at school board meetings threatening people who even suggest masking kids.

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I'm in favor of neither of those, but if mandates are issued, I at least want them to be focused on the areas where they will have the biggest impact, rather than some ideologically-driven sideshow.



... to protect whom? I categorically reject the idea that children should have to wear masks to protect adults who refuse to get vaccinated. I would prefer to have no mandates at all, but if forced to pick, I would rather put up with a vaccine mandate for all adults than a mask mandate for school children.

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A picture thread that doesn't spark debate has no place in a debate forum.