So, not any of the people you mentioned.

Labeling things you don't like "fascistic" doesn't make it so.

Fascists breathe and sometimes make arguments.
That doesnt mean people who breathe and make arguments are fascists or alt right, not even if you dont like what they are saying.

Sometimes some fascists might even support a 'good'(or otherwise) idea or policy that other people support, or recognize a basic fact about life and humans.
That doesnt make that idea fascistic or anyone who supports that idea a fascist either.

Instead of coming up with real arguments you have fallen into this delusion that smears people as alt right and fascistic.

Great you called people fascists. Now explain why the actual statements and policies in question are wrong.

Fascism:


This applies to Jordan Peterson, who rallies AGAINST identity politics and is some sort of minarchist and individualist?

Whats a "white supremacist argument" in your view?
Which ones were sargon using?
Now do peterson and rubin.

This post was edited by cambovenzi on Apr 3 2019 05:13pm

The modern Alt-Right isn't a deviation from normal conservatism. They ARE normal conservatism. We like to play that conservatives have been good all-American family men and women, but the reality is that American conservatives fought fervently against integration and civil rights. They fought against gay rights. They fought against women's rights. They fought against birth control.

White-nationalism only looks like it isn't the norm because to modern Americans seem to think history began in the 80's.

Truth... and the only reason they aren't still openly racist is because they lost those fights. Now they can only really be openly transphobic and a little homophobic and misogynist.
While still being pretty sneakily racist... see N.Carolina Voter ID laws for example.



Are you kidding me? They all engage in identity politics all the fucking time. Peterson is well known for continuously repeating a Nazi conspiracy theory in 'cultural marxism' and lays out descriptive claims that underpin fascist arguments while being too pussy to make the normative claims that naturally follow any other person who chooses that subset of evidence, Sargon is constantly railing against Muslims and playing the white victimhood narrative AND joined UKIP after even Farage said they were getting too extreme and Dave Rubin is paid by the Koch Bros to act as a platform for alt-right pieces of shit. All of them consistently use the same 'champion of free speech' character that Hitler played -

While only championing right wing views and advocating for shutting down left wing speech - https://www.change.org/p/universities-suspend-social-justice-in-universities

It's astounding how you can sit there with a straight fucking face and pretend like these pieces of human garbage aren't advancing the cause of fascism.

Thanks for being honest and forthright enough to expose your delusions for what they are.


According to you:
Defending free speech is just like hitler
If you talk about, criticize or comment on cultural marxism you are just pushing a "Nazi conspiracy theory"
If you make a factual descriptive claim or observation that underpins some arguments that have been made by fascists, we're just going to lump you in with them, despite the fact that you dont actually make normative claims in support of their ideology and often explicitly oppose them.
recognizing facts about life is fascistic!

and, we can just throw around claims of fascism and alt-right to avoid actually discussing the merit of what they say, because that would be inconvenient for you and your world view.


Criticizing Islam is not white supremacist. Nor is the factual narrative that whites are sometimes victims, nor is joining a right wing political party that you dont like.

Rubin has on a number of guests from a wide range of ideologies and perspectives. Discussing or debating matters with people who you smear as alt-right, or even people who actually are alt-right, does not make Rubin alt-right or a bad guy.
Nor does it make the purpose of his show a 'platform for the alt-right.'

This post was edited by cambovenzi on Apr 3 2019 06:21pm

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I mean you're either being disingenuous or incredibly fucking stupid here.
No defending free speech is not 'just like Hitler'. Hypocritically pretending you're defending free speech while actively working to shut down speech in opposition to you and only facilitating speech on the right or far right is a solid and pretty ubiquitous fascist tactic.
Cultural Marxism IS a nazi conspiracy theory. It's been renamed from cultural Bolshevism but it's still the same theory. Just like 'the great replacement' is a synonym for 'white genocide;
If you make one descriptive claim of course not. If you are continuously building a body of evidence that is used to support fascist ideology while avoiding any of the descriptive claims used to justify antifascism then yea - you're just being disingenuous by not following it up with the normative claims.

Recognising facts about life is not fascistic. There are plenty of facts that we can draw on to support all kinds of arguments.

It's ok. I understand how easy it is to get sucked down the youtube rabbit hole and end up fapping to Molyneux talking about black people being better labourers than thinkers. As you seem to be educated by youtubers may I suggest another who explains antifascism better than I can be fucked to do in text -

Then feel free to read https://libcom.org/library/antifa-anti-fascist-handbook
Engage with the 'marketplace of ideas' honestly instead of sucking purely at the teat of fascist propagandists.

This post was edited by TransTankie on Apr 3 2019 06:40pm

Just curious, do you know what gender you are? You seem like a deeply ill and confused individual.

This post was edited by LA-Leviathan on Apr 3 2019 06:45pm

Nope just honestly and accurately commenting on your ridiculous positions, statements and smears.

attacking my own character and intelligence for opposing your despicable behavior and smears is pretty shitty, but to be expected.



Which of the people you have been smearing have been working to shut down speech in opposition to them?
Just a petition by sargon to suspend so-called 'social justice' courses at universities?

You explicitly criticized them for "consistently us(ing) the same 'champion of free speech' character that Hitler played"
No, being a champion of free speech is a good thing and doesnt make one like Hitler in any substantively meaningful way. Supporting free speech is a good thing.
Hitler was bad for totalitarian control and mass murder, not for allegedly supporting free speech or being depicted as such in a propaganda poster.



Critiquing and recognizing the modern marxist influence and strategy regarding culture has virtually nothing to do with nazism and isn't an unfounded 'conspiracy theory'.

Yes some people in nazi germany criticized 'cultural bolshevism', which was about criticizing 'modern art'.
No, that doesn't mean they were completely wrong about everything or mean that modern criticism of cultural marxism is a nazi conspiracy theory and should be dismissed out of hand.
Some in Nazi germany caring about protecting western culture doesn't mean everyone who likes some core elements of western culture is fascistic or akin to a nazi. The same goes for critics of marxism.



In other words, reality doesn't line up with radical leftists' world view.
And since Fascists, Libertarians, JBP, conservatives, moderates, fat uncle jim, and old married ladies at the YMCA all make some observations that you dont like, lets lump them together with those fascists.

The fact that fascists make descriptive claims about the world and use them to support their ideological positions does not inherently mean those initial observations were wrong or that fascism is the only or the inherent ideology that can be supported by them.
Nor does it mean that someone is a 'pussy' for recognizing facts about life and not supporting fascism, nor does it make them a secret fascist.

JBP and the others you have smeared do make descriptive and normative claims that support literal anti-fascism, just not 'antifa' terrorism and barbarism.
Your related claim is fabricated.
The criminals and violent scum identifying as antifa are not the only anti-fascists.



Your obsession with the idea that im some big lover of molyneux is unfounded
The claim that i'm primarily 'educated by youtubers' is also false.

just a pathetic attempt to dismiss and belittle someone who disagrees with your degenerate and despicable ideology.

speaking of engaging in the marketplace of ideas, you are completely closed off to those who disagree with you.
Smearing them as fascists and advocating violence against them is not a good or intellectual replacement for considering and addressing their positions.

This post was edited by cambovenzi on Apr 3 2019 07:13pm

Lol. I see you.
'White people are victims'
'protect western culture'
'marxist influence and strategy regarding culture'

You may not even realise it but you're already one of them.

'Being a free speech champion is good'. Of course it is. Which is why I want to maximise free speech for all by removing those elements of society that would deny others their basic human rights and, if taken to their logical conclusions, their very existence. Can't have freedom of speech if you're dead. Can't engage in the marketplace of ideas if you're segregated from society.

We should spend some time together. I'm pretty sure I could deradicalise you at this stage of the process. I'd take action quickly though... much further down the rabbit hole and you'll be over on pol posting pepe memes and laughing about 'kebab removals in New Zealand'. Or you could speak to FaradaySpeaks... He's been where you are now. I'm sure he could help you understand where you're going wrong. I think you want to believe you're a decent person with sensible views... You're just misguided buddy. Let me help you.