communism rose from the myth of empowering the worker, and became fascism under the guise of empowerment. china continues this trend, but likely cares even less about the common man than the USSR did with some exceptions like the Stalin/Poland relationship.

they'll feed their own citizens into a wood chipper for a nominal gain, if u call that communism then you're a fool. communism is a theory that can not be actualized in beings as intelligent as humans, its only real and sustainable in insects.

using the goals of Karl Marx in regards to modern China is beyond silly, even tho Marx himself admitted large swaths of the population would need to be purged because their perspective is a nonstarter with the laborer majority, so its not as if it was a kumbaya collective that hippies dreamed it to be in any case.

You're more concerned with trying to win 'arguments' on semantics rather than have a conversation. China is a communist country, traditional Karl Marx communism? No, but that doesn't mean I need to hear the #notrealcommunism talking point again.



So what does this mean then, it's totally acceptable and we should strive for higher taxes, higher spending, than countries that have these types of principles as foundational to their ideology?

Interesting take from someone that considers himself a centrist.

>China is actually not left enough, they're fake left and we need to be even more left of them on economic issues. Um ok?

yup

This post was edited by TiStuff on May 4 2021 12:18pm

Did your parents leave Russia because it was too fair to it's citizens?

China pays minimal wages, offers dangerous working conditions, literally farms organs, operates death camps for minorities and dissidents, etc. and your takeaway is "because china says its communist, and therefore is empowering its common man, they should want UBI".

you've tossed out reality in favor of what china told u, all while being a person who distrusts china. jesus you're really a mess.

you're now in a position where you're saying China cares about it's citizens. this might be your worst week ever in PARD.

This post was edited by thesnipa on May 4 2021 12:40pm

Nah bro. North Korea is totally democratic. It says so right in their name!

young ruskie flees communism because it isnt fair only to end up on a web forum digging a hole and trying to use "china loves its people" as a rope to escape.

what a farce.

I'm not from Russia, neither are my parents.

What you said is literally the natural course of almost every communist regime. I get it though, #notrealcommunism, real communism good. Real communism/socialism good therefore the US needs to strive and implement policies that shift us towards that.

This is what centrism is in 2021 in the western world.

You might have a point if snipa was in favor of communism, or if UBI was communist, or if China was even slightly communist instead of just calling themselves communist, and if we didn't have a ton of evidence that UBI doesn't decrease how many people work, and if we also didn't have a ton of evidence that generous social policies like national healthcare actually saves money in the long run.

So basically, if literally everything you believe on this subject wasn't demonstrably wrong, you would be right.

you're arguing yourself idiot. you're using the false nefarious roots of a failed ideology as a benchmark for it's modern result. im telling you that's bad, because communist govts, let alone china, dont actually care enough about citizens to implement UBI. now you're echoing me without even realizing you're wrong by your own post.

is there a reason other than the terribly embarrassing verbal beatdowns ive handed u recently you're devolving into a caveman esque halfwit?

your whole point rests on trusting china when it says it cares about it's citizens, something neither of us does. you've just failed and cant let go.

save face now and say im right and ill leave u be for 24 hours, even a secret pm will do. be a man, not a wriggling worm.

Lol beatdowns. Settle down there big guy. I know optics are important for you on here but don't get carried away.

The fact of the matter, I'm a conservative and my principles and ideology have remained fairly consistent throughout the years. I have no confusion about what's important to me nor what things like fiscal conservatism mean or what being a social conservative means. I value consistency.

You on the other hand, because most of our culture & society is moving left-ward are also moving left-ward. It happens to people who are more concerned about how others perceive them rather than being grounded in principles.

Do you ever wonder why you're increasingly finding yourself in more agreement with leftists on this forum? People like Bogie, Goom, I, Cam even the some of the leftists have stayed fairly stationary on the political spectrum, meanwhile you're trying your hardest to prove that your moving with the times.