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Is it outweighed by them? Here's the watch scores for the month of April from this year:

https://i.imgur.com/zeWHmfi.png

https://www.scribd.com/document/505296770/April-2021-Cable-News-Show-Ranker-Total-Viewers#from_embed


Fox doesn't receive money from the government like NPR.
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what does demilitarising and properly training police have to do with preventing school shootings?


A lot? We'd be able to use hostage negotiation tactics to convince school shooters to stop shooting instead of sending in armed thugs who often shoot innocents.
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Quote (Black XistenZ @ 7 Sep 2021 20:44)
https://i.imgur.com/xwbeuZ9.jpg

"The store of modern childhood"


how many children die / get seriously injured in british schools each year, and how many in US schools?

since you will predictably dodge this question, let me just give you the conclusion: your "point" / whataboutism is utter bullshit.
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Quote (Black XistenZ @ 7 Sep 2021 18:44)
https://i.imgur.com/xwbeuZ9.jpg

"The store of modern childhood"


This is not relevant at all.
nb: follow fender explanation if you cant get it.

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Quote (thundercock @ 7 Sep 2021 20:59)
FYI, you can only compare Fox to the combination of MSNBC and CNN

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Is it outweighed by them? Here's the watch scores for the month of April from this year:

https://i.imgur.com/zeWHmfi.png

https://www.scribd.com/document/505296770/April-2021-Cable-News-Show-Ranker-Total-Viewers#from_embed



The numbers on individual shows cannot be added up since we don't know the overlap between them. Look at the network ratings from your own source instead:


source: https://de.scribd.com/document/505334295/April-2021-Cable-Network-Ranker-Total-Viewers

Both in prime time and for the whole day, CNN + MSNBC significantly outweighed Fox during said month.

This post was edited by Black XistenZ on Sep 7 2021 01:11pm
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A lot? We'd be able to use hostage negotiation tactics to convince school shooters to stop shooting instead of sending in armed thugs who often shoot innocents.


maybe, but that's not PREVENTING them, which was my question. what it might actually do is make society less violent overall, likely slightly decreasing many of the stress factors that lead to such shootings in the first place. that said, i understood bogie's post as sarcastic remark on how defunding police would somehow exacerbate the school shooting problem, which seems ridiculous to me...
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Quote (fender @ 7 Sep 2021 21:04)
how many children die / get seriously injured in british schools each year, and how many in US schools?

since you will predictably dodge this question, let me just give you the conclusion: your "point" / whataboutism is utter bullshit.


The point of the clip sauci posted was about American school children living in constant fear of violent attacks. British students being offered stab-proof vests for their school uniforms, and this state of affairs being described as "modern childhood", is highly relevant to this point, even if the number of casualties isn't identical.
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Quote (Black XistenZ @ Sep 7 2021 12:09pm)
The numbers on individual shows cannot be added up since we don't know the overlap between them. Look at the network ratings from your own source instead:

https://i.imgur.com/k1Qhkgv.jpg
source: https://de.scribd.com/document/505334295/April-2021-Cable-Network-Ranker-Total-Viewers

Both in prime time and for the whole day, CNN + MSNBC significantly outweighed Fox during said month.


My point though is that the "mainstream media is liberal" is a meme. I don't think you realize how influential, prominent, and 'mainstream' conservative media is in the United States--particularly since you don't live here. It would be like me speculating as to the media breakdown in Germany.
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Quote (Handcuffs @ 7 Sep 2021 19:21)
My point though is that the "mainstream media is liberal" is a meme. I don't think you realize how influential, prominent, and 'mainstream' conservative media is in the United States--particularly since you don't live here. It would be like me speculating as to the media breakdown in Germany.


For the few i know fox news is n°1 on coverage by far. Much more than cnn, correct ?
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Quote (Black XistenZ @ 7 Sep 2021 21:16)
The point of the clip sauci posted was about American school children living in constant fear of violent attacks. British students being offered stab-proof vests for their school uniforms, and this state of affairs being described as "modern childhood", is highly relevant to this point, even if the number of casualties isn't identical.


"isn't identical" is a pretty interesting framing for the huge discrepancy that completely invalidates whatever point you thought you had there.

the thing is, if you made a post / thread about stabbings, if you were genuinely concerned with violence in (british) schools, i'd be perfectly happy to have that conversation - but using it as a cheap talking point, a whataboutism to distract from america's mass shooting epidemic, is just transparently dishonest. hacks gonna hack...
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