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Sep 7 2021 12:26pm
Quote (Saucisson6000 @ Sep 7 2021 02:18pm)


If only we defunded the police this wouldn't be an issue.
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Sep 7 2021 12:41pm
Quote (Handcuffs @ 7 Sep 2021 09:04)
"20 poor, rural folks". Fox has the top 5 slots in most-viewed cable news shows, with Tucker Carlson being #1 at ~3 million average viewers.


Quote (NetflixAdaptationWidow @ 7 Sep 2021 09:06)
Talk radio is not local dude. Thats where Rush Limbaugh made his living.

Fox is by far the most popular main stream media source so that alone is a massive misrepresentation of the distribution.

You're forgetting that massive entities like Sinclaire have a huge hold on local news which results in a much higher viewer count than cable and they run massively conservative programs handed down centrally because they can leverage that ownership.


Fox being the #1 cable news channel is a result of them holding a near-monopoly on conservative news/political coverage while the same coverage is split up between multiple big channels on the liberal side. Even with Fox being the highest rated, Fox is more than outweighed by the combination of CNN/MSNBC/ABC/NBC/CBS.

Thor's point about Sincliar is a good one though, I'll admit that. No idea how to factor that in quantitatively.



Quote (thundercock @ 7 Sep 2021 09:54)
Well, white trash DO vote and anyone who has to answer to those voters will be a part of the conservative media bubble. Ron DeSantis is a perfect example of one of those people and he is definitely a "decision maker." High-ranking bureaucrats will also listen to Foxnews if they are members of the Republican party. Anyway, "decision makers" are significantly less likely to be swayed by the media. If anything, they are the ones influencing the media which influences the voters. Anyway, my point is that conservatives need to quit crying about "mainstream media" because conservative media IS mainstream media. If conservative media wasn't powerful, Republicans would have rebranded decades ago.

There's a difference between a political decision maker's own worldview or beliefs and the things he's forced to enact once in office out of political calculus, so that he can keep his rabid base happy. His own views will directly shape his policies, the views of his voters only very indirectly and unreliably.

Let's not forget that the whole Trump saga started as a revolution by the GOP base against the party's establishment which had intentionally underdelivered on key issues for years, if not decades. The RNC and its machine had held their own base in thinly veiled contempt. I've said it multiple times already: they tried to channel the energy on the right and redirect it into something palatable to the donor class. Voters cared about things like abortion and immigration, instead they got Wall Street tax cuts and endless shitty wars.



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Quote (bogie160 @ 7 Sep 2021 18:26)
If only we defunded the police this wouldn't be an issue.


Oh, this is low, i think the problem is deeper.
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Quote (Saucisson6000 @ 7 Sep 2021 20:18)




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This post was edited by Black XistenZ on Sep 7 2021 12:45pm
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Fox being the #1 cable news channel is a result of them holding a near-monopoly on conservative news/political coverage while the same coverage is split up between multiple big channels on the liberal side. Even with Fox being the highest rated, Fox is more than outweighed by the combination of CNN/MSNBC/ABC/NBC/CBS.

Thor's point about Sincliar is a good one though, I'll admit that. No idea how to factor that in quantitatively.


The minimum to factor in for Sinclaire is that it has more viewers than all cable sources combined. Local news is still the largest news market by a fucking massive margin, and Sinclaire owns a huge portion of the largest ones. By some estimates I've found they own the local stations for over 70% of the United States.

https://www.businessinsider.com/sinclair-broadcast-group-stations-by-state-list-2018-4
https://www.vox.com/2018/4/6/17202824/sinclair-tribune-map


Also, don't forget to acknowledge that talk radio is not local. It's nationally syndicated and still hugely popular in a lot of places.



The simple fact is that "the media goes left" is propaganda, and always has been. It's a way for conservatives to make themselves think they are the victim when in reality they've been the baseline for longer than either of us have been alive.

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Quote (bogie160 @ Sep 7 2021 10:35am)
Obama centralized / micromanaged the responsibilities of both the military and the State department, funnelling key decisions through the Whitehouse. By all accounts, Clinton was well read and informed on what was going on. I don't get the feeling that Biden is making any decisions at this point outside of what is recommended to him by his inner circle of aides.

Mayorkas, Austin, and Blinken should all probably resign, though, the respective catastrophes at the border and Afghanistan necessitate that someone takes the blame, and it can't be Biden lest we get left with Kamala, and as unpopular as Biden has now become, I don't think anyone really wants that.


Ultimately, all major decisions go through the West Wing, that's just how things work. What gives you the impression that Biden isn't making decisions? Do you have any sources indicating that? Administrations are pretty leaky so I'd imagine we would have heard something that confirms your suspicions.

Having 3 members of your cabinet resign would be pretty extraordinary and I'd like to avoid Trump style governance where high level officials are cycled through because it makes America weaker. Is there an example where that many Secretaries resigned over a single event? I don't know about you, but I really like stability. Based on what we currently know, I think a Blinken resignation could be argued but I think a deputy resignation would be more appropriate. You could also make the argument that the head of CENTCOM should resign but they also proved that they were able to ramp of evacuations in a fairly short period of time.

Regarding Mayorkas, I recommend listening to this podcast before you call for the head of DHS to resign: https://podcasts.apple.com/bb/podcast/the-job-nobody-wants/id1042433083?i=1000500987758
DHS needs some serious reform and it's designed rather poorly.
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Quote (Black XistenZ @ Sep 7 2021 11:41am)
Fox being the #1 cable news channel is a result of them holding a near-monopoly on conservative news/political coverage while the same coverage is split up between multiple big channels on the liberal side. Even with Fox being the highest rated, Fox is more than outweighed by the combination of CNN/MSNBC/ABC/NBC/CBS.

Thor's point about Sincliar is a good one though, I'll admit that. No idea how to factor that in quantitatively.


Is it outweighed by them? Here's the watch scores for the month of April from this year:



https://www.scribd.com/document/505296770/April-2021-Cable-News-Show-Ranker-Total-Viewers#from_embed
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Sep 7 2021 12:54pm
Quote (bogie160 @ 7 Sep 2021 20:26)
If only we defunded the police this wouldn't be an issue.


what does demilitarising and properly training police have to do with preventing school shootings?
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Sep 7 2021 12:59pm
Quote (Black XistenZ @ Sep 7 2021 11:41am)
Fox being the #1 cable news channel is a result of them holding a near-monopoly on conservative news/political coverage while the same coverage is split up between multiple big channels on the liberal side. Even with Fox being the highest rated, Fox is more than outweighed by the combination of CNN/MSNBC/ABC/NBC/CBS.

Thor's point about Sincliar is a good one though, I'll admit that. No idea how to factor that in quantitatively.




There's a difference between a political decision maker's own worldview or beliefs and the things he's forced to enact once in office out of political calculus, so that he can keep his rabid base happy. His own views will directly shape his policies, the views of his voters only very indirectly and unreliably.

Let's not forget that the whole Trump saga started as a revolution by the GOP base against the party's establishment which had intentionally underdelivered on key issues for years, if not decades. The RNC and its machine had held their own base in thinly veiled contempt. I've said it multiple times already: they tried to channel the energy on the right and redirect it into something palatable to the donor class. Voters cared about things like abortion and immigration, instead they got Wall Street tax cuts and endless shitty wars.


FYI, you can only compare Fox to the combination of MSNBC and CNN because they are cable whereas CBS/ABC are broadcast. It would be more fair to compare CBS/ABC to local news. The rest of your post doesn't really read coherently in response to mine. My argument is that conservatives need to quit whining about mainstream media bias because all the things conservatives listen to ARE mainstream media.
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