Quote (Saucisson6000 @ Sep 7 2021 01:59am)

the great one who was saying that covid will do 20k deads in US.

Quote (thundercock @ 7 Sep 2021 08:16)

Are you sure about that? It seems to me that a substantial portion of the country is plugged into the conservative bubble.

Quote (Black XistenZ @ Sep 6 2021 11:59pm)

Yeah, the ones you like to describe a "worthless, filthy white trash that should be glad to be paid 50 cent per hour". ;)

Like I said: liberal leaning media has far more sway over culture, institutions and decision makers than Fox News or talk radio.
Do you think that C-suite guys, high-ranking bureaucrats or tenured professors are listening to Fox News and Rush Limbaugh or read the NY Post? No, of course not - they're forming their opinion based on the coverage in outlets like the NY Times and the Atlantic.
Influencing the opinion of one of these guys has a bigger impact on the future course of the country than influencing 20 poor, rural folks.

Quote (Black XistenZ @ Sep 7 2021 01:10am)

Local talk radio, the NY Post, OAN, Newsmax and Fox don't have nearly the same clout over culture, institutions, decision makers and thus the general direction of the country as ABC/NBC/CBS/CNN/MSNBC/NPR, AP, the NY/LA Times, WaPo, Boston Globe and so on.
The only conservative heavyweights with any reach outside of the conservative bubble might be the NYP and Fox while ABC/NBC/CBS, AP articles as well as the NYT and WaPo are consumed by pretty much all moderates, swing voters and independents.

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Quote (Black XistenZ @ Sep 6 2021 11:59pm)

Yeah, the ones you like to describe a "worthless, filthy white trash that should be glad to be paid 50 cent per hour". ;)

Like I said: liberal leaning media has far more sway over culture, institutions and decision makers than Fox News or talk radio.
Do you think that C-suite guys, high-ranking bureaucrats or tenured professors are listening to Fox News and Rush Limbaugh or read the NY Post? No, of course not - they're forming their opinion based on the coverage in outlets like the NY Times and the Atlantic.
Influencing the opinion of one of these guys has a bigger impact on the future course of the country than influencing 20 poor, rural folks.

Quote (Black XistenZ @ Sep 6 2021 11:43pm)

Seriously? For a huge amount of Americans, the inofficial motto of Obama's presidency was "the audacity of hope upending the racial hierarchy".He received a shitton of abuse and a certain orange-skinned real estate mogul from New York was one of the ringleaders.

What sets Trump and Obama apart is not the amount of personal attacks and smears that they received, it's by whom the received it. Obama was attacked by racist citizens, but received constant adulation by the mainstream media. The smear campaign against Trump, by contrast, was spearheaded by the mainstream media itself which kept coming up with one unverified, outlandish, baseless or mean-spirited story on him after another. While the media still kept up plausible deniabilty with Obama ("he's getting positive press because he's a good president pursuing good policy"), they dropped any pretense of neutrality during the Trump presidency.

Quote (Black XistenZ @ Sep 6 2021 11:43pm)

Seriously? For a huge amount of Americans, the inofficial motto of Obama's presidency was "the audacity of hope upending the racial hierarchy". He received a shitton of abuse and a certain orange-skinned real estate mogul from New York was one of the ringleaders.

What sets Trump and Obama apart is not the amount of personal attacks and smears that they received, it's by whom the received it. Obama was attacked by racist citizens, but received constant adulation by the mainstream media. The smear campaign against Trump, by contrast, was spearheaded by the mainstream media itself which kept coming up with one unverified, outlandish, baseless or mean-spirited story on him after another. While the media still kept up plausible deniabilty with Obama ("he's getting positive press because he's a good president pursuing good policy"), they dropped any pretense of neutrality during the Trump presidency.

Quote (thundercock @ Sep 6 2021 04:51pm)

I don't think Obama was a big driver in his administration. George HW definitely was because he was extremely experienced. I really don't if Clinton was super active or not. In general, I imagine that the President is engaged in a handful of passion projects outside of being Commander in Chief. The rest are simply run by the Cabinet. Who do you find objectionable at the moment?