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Aug 10 2022 02:56pm
Quote (Black XistenZ @ Aug 10 2022 01:53pm)
Where there's a will, there's a way. If the FBI found something that would really help the investigations of Laetitia James in NY, they would definitely find a way to leak it to her.

But you're right that we'll have to wait and see. Without new info, further speculation would be futile.


C'mon man, you don't honestly believe that. That would be thrown out of court so fast unless you're represented by someone like Rudy G...oh wait I see where this is going.
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Aug 10 2022 03:05pm
Quote (thundercock @ Aug 10 2022 04:50pm)
I'm not convinced of that. They would have sent about 500+ agents there if that's the case. Also, I don't think federal warrants allow you to do that. Trump would have had to have been REALLY stupid and had a binder that said, JAN 6 COUP PLAN REV 2 or something like that haha.

The FBI has no jurisdiction over NY laws so that doesn't make sense either. Honestly, we're just going to have to wait and see (either more media leaks or Trump releases the warrant).


Not all investigations have to be criminal. The goal of the Jan 6th committee isn't to pass legislation that could have been hammered out in back doors, nor does Congress want Trump's taxes because they think there's some greater legislative purpose. The intent is simply to damage Trump.

It's a dangerous game to play. You can be sure that Republicans will employ these exact same tactics once they seize control of Congress. It's very hard to roll back precedent once set. At this rate, TDS will unravel the republic.
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Aug 10 2022 03:17pm
Quote (bogie160 @ 10 Aug 2022 23:05)
It's a dangerous game to play. You can be sure that Republicans will employ these exact same tactics once they seize control of Congress.


I guess Democrats rely on a sympathetic FBI and intelligence community to insulate them against a potential backlash coming out of a Republican Congress.

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Quote (Black XistenZ @ Aug 10 2022 05:17pm)
I guess Democrats rely on a sympathetic FBI and intelligence community to insulate them against a potential backlash coming out of a Republican Congress.


That's something that the next Republican administration is sure to try and rectify. The Trump administration gave no thought to who they wanted staffing key positions, and the new right doesn't have a great pool of candidates to draw on in the first place. That's the price of being an outsider. I can't see any future Republican administration not cleaning house and starting things off with a bang. Trump is certain to do it if he wins, he's said as much, but I don't think DeSantis would do it much differently. The bureaucracy has been left since Nixon, the gloves have to come off.
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Aug 10 2022 03:38pm
Quote (thundercock @ Aug 10 2022 03:56pm)
C'mon man, you don't honestly believe that. That would be thrown out of court so fast unless you're represented by someone like Rudy G...oh wait I see where this is going.


Rule of law is clearly no longer the limiting factor here. The entire raid was premised on untested novel legal theory

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That's something that the next Republican administration is sure to try and rectify. The Trump administration gave no thought to who they wanted staffing key positions, and the new right doesn't have a great pool of candidates to draw on in the first place. That's the price of being an outsider. I can't see any future Republican administration not cleaning house and starting things off with a bang. Trump is certain to do it if he wins, he's said as much, but I don't think DeSantis would do it much differently. The bureaucracy has been left since Nixon, the gloves have to come off.


Honestly I don't see any clean answer without the 'unraveling the republic' part, short of disbanding the FBI entirely and returning all law enforcement capacity to the states until federal agencies can be reformed from the ground up.
2016 onwards has shown them to have completely gone off the rails, not just on political crusades but abdicating their responsibilities to pursue mundane criminals

The alternative is the Republicans trying to seize control of the corrupt agency and bend it to their will and weaponize it against democrats. And history has shown that Republicans are far more efficient at wielding corrupt levers of government
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Quote (Black XistenZ @ 10 Aug 2022 16:20)
I'm not surprised that you're fantasizing about "buttery males".


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Quote (Black XistenZ @ Aug 10 2022 03:25pm)
You conveniently forgot that she casually destroyed evidence without being adequately prosecuted or punished for it.
Petreaus was directly sharing classified info which was critical to national security with a non-cleared person who was a literal journalist.


Yes but Donald Trump kept a cocktail napkin locked up in a safe in his private collection.
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Quote (bogie160 @ Aug 10 2022 02:05pm)
Not all investigations have to be criminal. The goal of the Jan 6th committee isn't to pass legislation that could have been hammered out in back doors, nor does Congress want Trump's taxes because they think there's some greater legislative purpose. The intent is simply to damage Trump.

It's a dangerous game to play. You can be sure that Republicans will employ these exact same tactics once they seize control of Congress. It's very hard to roll back precedent once set. At this rate, TDS will unravel the republic.


I'm pretty sure that there needs to be a criminal element for the DOJ to be involved. A judge isn't going to sign off on a warrant unless there is a specific crime.

As for the committee, that's very different than what happened at MAL. There's no doubt that one of the primary purposes of the Jan 6 Committee is to damage Trump. How is that new though? Committee hearings and investigations have been used to push a political point of view for centuries. I fully expect the GOP to investigate the Biden administration because that's literally part of the job. If the administration hasn't done anything wrong, they have nothing to hide. If the administration can't explain a particular policy or action, that's their fault for not being prepared. We shouldn't have sympathy for politicians who are bad at politics.

Quote (bogie160 @ Aug 10 2022 02:28pm)
That's something that the next Republican administration is sure to try and rectify. The Trump administration gave no thought to who they wanted staffing key positions, and the new right doesn't have a great pool of candidates to draw on in the first place. That's the price of being an outsider. I can't see any future Republican administration not cleaning house and starting things off with a bang. Trump is certain to do it if he wins, he's said as much, but I don't think DeSantis would do it much differently. The bureaucracy has been left since Nixon, the gloves have to come off.


I disagree. Trump and DeSantis would govern VERY differently which is why DeSantis is preferred by folks like McConnell.

Anyway, I think you'd enjoy these articles (long but great info). If you're worried about legislative whiplash due to the filibuster going away, you're going to see WAY more of that in the future:
https://www.axios.com/2022/07/22/trump-2025-radical-plan-second-term
https://www.axios.com/2022/07/23/donald-trump-news-schedule-f-executive-order

Quote (Goomshill @ Aug 10 2022 02:38pm)
Rule of law is clearly no longer the limiting factor here. The entire raid was premised on untested novel legal theory



Honestly I don't see any clean answer without the 'unraveling the republic' part, short of disbanding the FBI entirely and returning all law enforcement capacity to the states until federal agencies can be reformed from the ground up.
2016 onwards has shown them to have completely gone off the rails, not just on political crusades but abdicating their responsibilities to pursue mundane criminals

The alternative is the Republicans trying to seize control of the corrupt agency and bend it to their will and weaponize it against democrats. And history has shown that Republicans are far more efficient at wielding corrupt levers of government


Wild speculation. You could be right but you have no justification to think this and we need to wait for more information. Trump could release the warrant to put this to rest but it would be political suicide. Trump needs to come across as a victim as much as possible.

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Aug 10 2022 03:59pm
Quote (Black XistenZ @ Aug 10 2022 03:20pm)
I'm not surprised that you're fantasizing about "buttery males".

I would’ve put my money on ashy males
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