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Feb 22 2022 07:11am
Quote (chopstickz777 @ Feb 22 2022 01:17am)
Pretty amazing how libtards will engage in open racism against all things Russian on the command of their religion (the media) but then deny afterwards that it is, in-fact, a form of racism and discrimination fueled by illogical hatred.

Keep the entertainment coming :rofl:


I didn’t know “Russian” was a race
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Already covered this, which you would have noticed if you had bothered to read.

There was no Ukrainian crisis during Trump's presidency because Trump did not provoke a crisis in Ukraine by telling his Ukrainian proxies to assault Donbass.

It's really quite simple. If Trump were still in office, the frozen conflict in Ukraine would have remained on the backburner.


I don't read your posts.

I'm looking for a plausible explanation, not a "blatant Russian propaganda" one.

This post was edited by IceMage on Feb 22 2022 07:22am
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Feb 22 2022 08:55am
Well, how's the "it's not an invasion" invasion going?

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Solid.
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I believe the agreements/arrangements he meant was those of military alliances. They signed some treaties with NATO at the end of the Cold War that NATO would not inch eastward after Germany's unification. Eventually NATO said fuck that and started gobbling up central European countries, installing military bases, missile systems, etc. closer and closer to Russia. Fast forward to 2022 and now it looks like ex-soviet states are going to be admitted into NATO and you will have a "defensive" military bases, rockets, probably nukes on Russia's border, 3 minutes from Moscow.

Idk maybe its just me but I don't really understand how people fail to see the point of view from the other side.



I get what you mean, but after reading Putin’s essay on Ukraine and listening to his recent speeches (and past ones), this doesn’t seem like “security” at all… it seems more like bringing Ukraine back because “Ukrainians and Russians are one people.” Methinks he realizes he’s on his way out, in some fashion, and he wants to be “Leninized” and become even more immortal in Russian history; the one to stand up to Western disease and begin rebuilding an empire by first bringing back Ukraine and reversing his idea of “… the worst tragedy of the 20th century [losing Ukraine].”

Not really trying to argue with anyone here, just throwing in what I’ve been thinking.
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Looks like Kenya is socially superior to Russia
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Feb 22 2022 09:37am
The USA makes everything vastly worse. Do you think France , Germany, the Brits want to have to help Ukraine and defy Russia? Absolutely not. They haven't let Ukraine into NATO yet, despite talks since the 90s.

Russia supplies so much natural gas to the EU.

Meanwhile, the USA who has far lest vested interests in Russia have always expressed interest in Ukraine and Ukraine has backed the Americans, be it in Iraq or Americans soldiers being set to Ukraine. The USA is forcing its allies hands for its own interest in Ukraine which is strategic positioning. The USA does not give two fucks about the Ukranian people. We used that excuse in Middle East for ages and its laughable.

If the USA gave two honest fucks about Ukrainian people where the fuck were they when Ukraine had a pro Russian president for four years and Russia waltzed in and took Crimea.
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good take and its pretty interesting to hear this from an actual african, because white liberals in the west would mostly say the opposite
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good link
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I suppose the retort to this from the pro-Putin side is that the rightful government of Ukraine was overthrown in 2014 via a Western-backed coup. So, the current Ukrainian government is not legitimate.

This is what Russia's foreign minister is saying today, and it's what the pro-Putin American right was saying last night on Fox News.
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