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Sep 9 2021 09:19am
Quote (InsaneBobb @ Sep 9 2021 10:18am)
It's a bit disingenuous what you're attempting to argue here. If a business takes it upon themselves, completely willingly, to require proof of vaccination, that's fine. Their customers can go elsewhere. It's kind of odd that you are advocating a need to present your papers to buy a donut when you openly claim providing ID to vote is racist, but hey, no judgement here.

Where it gets a tad dicey is when the government is pressuring businesses to require proof of vaccination or not service customers. I mean, if the local grocery store has to get your proof of vaccination or have their business license yanked, and you say, "Fuck off" and go do your shopping via Amazon Pantry, then the small business goes out of business due entirely to government interference. Meanwhile, self-aggrandizing keyboard warriors sit there and talk about "capitalism at work" while ignoring the government interference. :)


Voting is a right. Buying a donut isn't. Businesses are not held to the same standards as government. Also the issue with voter ID is not that they are coincidentally discriminatory, they are intentionally discriminatory.
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Sep 9 2021 09:21am
Quote (JessiWan @ Sep 9 2021 10:11am)
They shouldn't do that because a patron's vaccination status is none of a business' business.


The vast majority of federally-protected classes are those over which an individual has no control (sex, race, etc). The only Federal ones that are not are religion and military/veteran status, and both of those are addressed in the Constitution (under either the Bill of Rights or the right of the government to muster armed forces).

Vaccination status is something fully within the ability of the individual to control.

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Sep 9 2021 09:22am
Quote (NetflixAdaptationWidow @ Sep 9 2021 08:17am)
The business isn't intruding into anything. You don't have to go there. Nobody is holding up a gun and saying you have to go to that business


But what if it's a grocery store and I need grocery in order to live?

Besides, there are public accommodation laws.
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Sep 9 2021 09:22am
Quote (Surfpunk @ Sep 9 2021 10:21am)
The vast majority of federally-protected classes are those over which an individual has no control (sex, race, etc). The only Federal ones that are not are religion and military/veteran status, and both of those are addressed in the Constitution (under either the Bill of Rights or the right of the government to muster a armed forces).

Vaccination status is something fully within the ability of the individual to control.


given the fact that sunny nuked his acc, took 3 days off, and returned as a "female" who thinks men are superior to women, perhaps we shouldn't try to gauge his self control too favorably.

Quote (JessiWan @ Sep 9 2021 10:22am)
But what if it's a grocery store and I need grocery in order to live?

Besides, there are public accommodation laws.


u keep saying that, but havent posted any to prove yourself wrong yet.

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I don't see why it needs to be something that people have no control over in order to qualify as a protected class.


anything else is considered authoritarian.

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Sep 9 2021 09:22am
Quote (Surfpunk @ Sep 9 2021 08:21am)
The vast majority of federally-protected classes are those over which an individual has no control (sex, race, etc). The only Federal ones that are not are religion and military/veteran status, and both of those are addressed in the Constitution (under either the Bill of Rights or the right of the government to muster armed forces).

Vaccination status is something fully within the ability of the individual to control.


I don't see why it needs to be something that people have no control over in order to qualify as a protected class.
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Sep 9 2021 09:23am
Quote (JessiWan @ Sep 9 2021 12:22pm)
But what if it's a grocery store and I need grocery in order to live?

Besides, there are public accommodation laws.


You're against landlords restricting access to their services based on criteria they set out as well I assume?

No pets no smoking no noise levels past x, income restrictions, etc.

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Sep 9 2021 09:24am
Quote (thesnipa @ Sep 9 2021 08:19am)

businesses can decline you for any reason that isnt protected, (sex, race, sexual orientation, nationality).


And I am advocating adding vaccination status to the list of protected classes.
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Sep 9 2021 09:25am
Quote (SBD @ Sep 9 2021 08:23am)
You're against landlords restricting access to their services based on criteria they set out as well I assume?

No pets no smoking no noise levels past x, income restrictions, etc.


If you are really concerned about those things, we can sit down and have an open discussion about what sorts of restrictions businesses can have that won't amount to discrimination.
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Sep 9 2021 09:26am
Quote (thesnipa @ Sep 9 2021 08:22am)


u keep saying that, but havent posted any to prove yourself wrong yet.

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I am not sure what you are saying. You want me to prove that public accommodation laws exist?
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Sep 9 2021 09:26am
Quote (JessiWan @ Sep 9 2021 10:22am)
But what if it's a grocery store and I need grocery in order to live?

Besides, there are public accommodation laws.


Home delivery or curbside pickup are reasonable accommodations. Most groceries do this now (including the locally-owned/operated grocery in the town of 1500 in which I reside).
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