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Aug 28 2014 11:23am
Quote (pussymoneyweed @ 28 Aug 2014 04:46)
In the words of Homer Simpson  "how do you know you aren't worshiping the wrong god and making the real one madder and madder?"


Quote (pussymoneyweed @ 28 Aug 2014 20:14)
so you don't know. Ok


i can help you there: it is TRUE. Christians' worship is wrong. they have a fake god with the distorted image of Jesus, but is in fact Satan.

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Aug 28 2014 11:38am
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Moses heard a shepherd on the road praying.
"God, where are you?  I want to help you, to fix your shoes
and comb your hair.  I want to wash your clothes
and pick the lice off.  I want to bring you milk
and kiss your little hands and feet when it's time
for you to go to bed. I want to sweep your room
and keep it neat.  God, my sheep and goats are yours.
All I can say remembering you is aaayyyyy
and aaahhhhhhhhhhhh."

            Moses could stand it no longer.
"Who are you talking to?"
          "The one who made us and made
the earth and made the sky."

                                        "Don't talk about shoes
and socks with God!  And what's this with your little
hands?  Such blasphemous familiarity sounds like
you're chatting with your uncles.  Only something
that grows needs milk.  Only someone with feet
needs shoes. Not God!"

                                    The shepherd repented
and tore his clothes and wandered out into
the desert.  A sudden revelation came then to Moses:

You have separated me from one of my own.
Did you come as a prophet to unite or to sever?
I have given each being a separate and unique way
of seeing and knowing and saying that knowledge.

What seems wrong to you is right for him.
What is poison to one is honey to someone else.
Purity and impurity, sloth and diligence in worship,
these mean nothing to me.  I am apart from all that. 

Ways of worshipping are not to be ranked as better
or worse.  Hindus do Hindu things.  The Dravidian
Muslims in India do what they do.
  It's all praise,
and it's all right.  I am not glorified in acts

of worship.  It's the worshippers!
  I don't hear
the words they say.  I look inside at the humility.
That broken-open lowliness is the reality.  Forget
phraseology!  I want burning, burning.  Be friends

with your burning.  Those who pay attention to ways
of behaving and speaking are one sort.  Lovers who
burn are another.  Don't impose a property tax
on a burned-out village.  Don't scold the lover.

The "wrong" way he talks is better than a hundred
"right" ways of others.
                              Inside the Kaaba
it doesn't matter which way you point
your prayer rug!
            The ocean diver doesn't need snowshoes!
The love-religion has no code or doctrine.
                                                      Only God.
So the ruby has nothing engraved on it!
It doesn't need markings. 

                                        God began speaking
deeper mysteries to Moses, vision and words,
which cannot be recorded here.  Moses left himself
and came back.  He went to eternity and came
back here.  Many times this happened. 

                                      It's foolish of me
to try and say this.  If I did say it,
it would uproot human intelligence.

Moses ran after the shepherd, following the bewildered
footprints,
                      in one place moving like a castle
across a chessboard.  In another, sideways,
like a bishop.
                  Now surging like a wave cresting,
now sliding down like a fish,
                                    with always his feet
making geomancy symbols in the sand,
                                                recording his
wandering state.

                            Moses finally caught up with him.
"I was wrong.  God has revealed to me that there are
no rules for worship.  Say whatever and however
your loving tells you to.
                                    Your sweetest blasphemy
is the truest devotion.  Through you a whole world
is freed.
                    Loosen your tongue and don't worry
what comes out.  It's all the light of the spirit."

The shepherd replied, "Moses, Moses,
I've gone beyond even that.
                                  You applied the whip,
and my horse shied and jumped out of itself.
The divine nature and my human nature came together.
Bless your scolding hand.

                                I can't say what has happened.
What I'm saying now is not my real condition.
It can't be said."

                            The shepherd grew quiet.
When you look in a mirror, you see yourself,
not the state of the mirror.
                                      The flute player
gives breath into a flute, and who makes the music?
The flute player!
                                Whenever you speak praise
or thanksgiving to God, it's always like
this dear shepherd's simplicity.


God does not need man, but man does need God. There is no 'wrong God'. There are merely different ways of acknowledging His presence.
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Aug 28 2014 12:58pm
Quote (russian @ 28 Aug 2014 09:23)
Wait, so do you think babies acquire souls at birth or at conception?



Conception is where life BEGINS to exist. When life BEGINS to exist (conception), then, this creates the soul. You have the gift to create.

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Aug 28 2014 01:25pm
Quote (HighschoolTurd @ Aug 28 2014 11:58am)
Conception is where life BEGINS to exist. When life BEGINS to exist (conception), then, this creates the soul. You have the gift to create.


Well, half of fertilized eggs never implant and grow into a baby. Do those have souls too? The fertilized egg has no awareness of itself, obviously, but is the soul self-aware? What is heaven like for such souls?

edit: Oh, and furthermore, you said babies are given free salvation. So, by aborting you are granting your baby a free ticket to heaven and sparing it the miseries of this world. So abortion is the best thing you could do for your baby? It will never know suffering, only eternal joy and happiness. What a selfless gift.

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Aug 30 2014 03:37pm
Quote (the_rest @ Aug 28 2014 12:23pm)
i can help you there: it is TRUE. Christians' worship is wrong. they have a fake god with the distorted image of Jesus, but is in fact Satan.


I agree that many people have a distorted image of God. In fact many of us place our perception of our earthly Dad onto God. If we see are Dad as abusive, then we see God as just a judge. If we see him as absent, we see God as absent. I am not saying that is a hard fact, but it is a trend. Personally I saw that I needed to perform to make God happy, so I thought God worked the same way. Jesus is a perfect representation of who God is. If you want to know what God is like, look at Jesus.
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Aug 30 2014 03:40pm
hypothetically speaking, how would you handle the news that your son is gay?
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Aug 30 2014 03:41pm
Quote (russian @ Aug 28 2014 02:25pm)
Well, half of fertilized eggs never implant and grow into a baby. Do those have souls too? The fertilized egg has no awareness of itself, obviously, but is the soul self-aware? What is heaven like for such souls?

edit: Oh, and furthermore, you said babies are given free salvation. So, by aborting you are granting your baby a free ticket to heaven and sparing it the miseries of this world. So abortion is the best thing you could do for your baby? It will never know suffering, only eternal joy and happiness. What a selfless gift.



To answer your first comment...I don't know how souls work in heaven. I don't know what form we will have nor do i know the form of pre-born babies. Yes I know most babies don't make it to birth. With modern medicine we have kept alive many lives that aren't prepared to survive.

To comment on your edit...Once again I don't know how souls work. There is an idea with "mercy killings" that even insane serial killers use. They have an idea of what perfection is and those who are suffering because they don't have perfection might as well be killed. Each baby has potential...yes even those who can't survive on their own. God can use each of them for a purpose.
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Aug 30 2014 03:43pm
Quote (duffman316 @ Aug 30 2014 04:40pm)
hypothetically speaking, how would you handle the news that your son is gay?



Well I don't have a son so it would be hard to say for sure. Homosexuality is a sin just as masturbation, looking at porn, premarital sex...etc. I would handle it the same way as I would with those: I would pray a lot, share my personal struggles with those sorts of things, and tell him about what God has planned in his life.
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Aug 30 2014 07:54pm
Quote (wofire @ 3 Aug 2014 21:17)
Sad =( been trying really hard to keep this clean, flame free and informative. I have spent quite a few hours in responses on this thread already.


That was not directed at you, but to ElShadday's obvious nonsense.
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Sep 1 2014 09:35pm
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