...so you see this as an " us against them " scenario ?

What does this have to do with anything. Why don't you just show me the source of where you found your statement. Your changing the whole topic while I'm trying to help you and myself out. Show me the evidence of where you got that from. If you can't find it.

Case closed.

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Terrorism Supported in the Muslim World:

http://pewresearch.org/pubs/26/where-terrorism-finds-support-in-the-muslim-world


International poll: Muslims support strict Sharia, Islamic supremacism


http://www.jihadwatch.org/2009/02/international-poll-muslims-support-strict-sharia-islamic-supremacism.html

The quran is a lie. mohammad lived 500 years AFTER the eyewitness accounts of the bible were written. mohammad took the bible and twisted the stories up to directly contradict them, then claimed that the bible had been corrupted. he spread islam by the sword, murdering anyone who wouldn't accept his lies. he married a 6 year old little girl and had sex with her when she was 9. the quran not only contradicts the biblical, eyewitness accounts, it also contradicts the secular sources that support the biblical accounts.


Islam is a lie and leads people to an eternal hell. The goal is to take away from the truth of salvation which is faith in Jesus Christ alone, believing in your heart that He died on the cross and rose from the dead for your sins.


This is what the Bible says about men like mohammad that twist the Biblical way of salvation:

Ga 1:8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.

Ga 1:9 As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.

I don't have time to read all that right now but I will when I can.

One thing you don't understand. The quran doesn't allow you to hurt others without a reason. So for the muslims who do that. They are not following the quran so do not put me as equal in blame as them. Just cuz they do it doesn't mean I will.

Also since you are trying to find faults in my religion. Let me do the same for you.


From your own thread.

Ro 10:9,10 "that if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved.."

So here are you saying God has raised God from the dead? Or jesus has raised jesus.

Because as far as I know Jesus is God and God is jesus.

Makes no sense.

Also did jesus write the bible?

Becasue each bible I know says

Accoring to Mark

According to John

accoring to ...

what is this according to?

not one of them say according to jesus.

How can you believe in such a thing that wasnt even written by god/jesus and was written by man itself.

...you have absolutely nothing that I want . You and polegagger have been conducting an ongoing attack against both the Bible and Christianity under the false pretense of educational religious discussion and I for one am not fooled by your true intentions . ( neither is anyone else for that matter )

Please take the time to read this first post and pray that prayer at the bottom of it to God from your heart.

I refuse to believe in islam because it's a FALSE religion. Jesus Christ is the way, the truth and the life. islam is a lie and mohammad is a liar. I can easily show you in the Bible without that verse in many MANY other places that Jesus Christ is the Son of God AND that He is God in the flesh. It IS now the true Word of God, the quran is a false book, not written by the eyewitness, yet directly contradicting the actual eyewitnesses and even secular history. In fact, all of the most crucial doctrines of the Chrstian faith are DIRECTLY contradicted in the quran in order to lead people to hell. Let's explore the Bible and see if it really claims Jesus to be God or if it doesn't:


Jesus Christ IS God

Jesus’s name “Immanuel” LITERALLY means “God with us”

Mt 1:23 "Behold, the virgin shall be with child, and bear a Son, and they shall call His name Immanuel," which is translated, "God with us."

Isa 7:14 "Therefore the Lord Himself will give you a sign: Behold, the virgin shall conceive and bear a Son, and shall call His name Immanuel.

He always existed (from everlasting):

Mic 5:2 (NKJV) "But you, Bethlehem Ephrathah, [Though] you are little among the thousands of Judah, [Yet] out of you shall come forth to Me The One to be Ruler in Israel, Whose goings forth [are] from of old, From everlasting."

He is Equal with God (Because He is God):

Php 2:5 Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus: Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:

This prophecy is of Christ's first comming. His Goings forth have been from everlasting because Christ Jesus is God.

In Him dwells All of Fullness of the Godhead Bodily:

Col 2:9 For in Him dwells all the fullness of the Godhead bodily;

Jesus Christ is one with the Father.

Joh 14:8 Philip said to Him, "Lord, show us the Father, and it is sufficient for us." Jesus said to him, "Have I been with you so long, and yet you have not known Me, Philip? He who has seen Me has seen the Father; so how can you say, 'Show us the Father'? "Do you not believe that I am in the Father, and the Father in Me? The words that I speak to you I do not speak on My own authority; but the Father who dwells in Me does the works. "Believe Me that I am in the Father and the Father in Me, or else believe Me for the sake of the works themselves.

God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit are one God:

1Jo 5:7 For there are three that bear witness in heaven: the Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit; and these three are one.

Jesus declares Himself to be the great I AM of the Old Testiment. I AM is God's Name

Joh 8:58 Jesus said to them, "Most assuredly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I AM."

I am IS God. There is only one God. That God has three parts.

Ex 3:14 And God said unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I AM hath sent me unto you.

All of the Fullness of the Godhead dwells in Christ’s Body.

Col 2:8 Beware lest anyone rob you through philosophy and vain deceit, according to the tradition of men, according to the elements of the world, and not according to Christ.
For in Him dwells all the fullness of the Godhead bodily. And you are complete in Him, who is the Head of all principality and power,

All Things Were Created By Jesus Christ and are Held Together by Him.

Col 1:16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him: And He is before all things, and by him all things consist.

Eph 3:9 And to make all men see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God, who created all things by Jesus Christ:

Heb 1:2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;


His Disciple/Apostle Peter Admits that Jesus knows “All things” (Only God knows all things)

Joh 21:17 He said to him the third time, "Simon, son of Jonah, do you love Me?" Peter was grieved because He said to him the third time, "Do you love Me?" And he said to Him, "Lord, You know all things; You know that I love You." Jesus said to him, "Feed My sheep.

God's plurality is found in Genesis

Ge 1:26 ¶ Then God said, "Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness; let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, over the birds of the air, and over the cattle, over all the earth and over every creeping thing that creeps on the earth."

His Disciple/Apostle Thomas Confessed Him to be God and Jesus did NOT rebuke Him for it:

Joh 20:27 Then He said to Thomas, "Reach your finger here, and look at My hands; and reach your hand here, and put it into My side. Do not be unbelieving, but believing."And Thomas answered and said to Him, "My Lord and my God!" Jesus said to him, "Thomas, because you have seen Me, you have believed. Blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed."

This verse demonstrates how God has multiple aspects. He said Let “US” make man in “OUR” image. He didn’t say, let me make man in My image, He said let US make man is OUR image.

His Apostle/Disciple John declares Christ Jesus to be God:

Joh 1:1 ¶ In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we beheld His glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father, full of grace and truth.

His Apostle/Disciple John declares that the world was made by Him (Jesus Christ)

Joh 1:10 He was in the world, and the world was made through Him, and the world did not know Him.

All things were made by Him and He was in the beginning with God (Father)

Joh 1:2 He was in the beginning with God. All things were made through Him, and without Him nothing was made that was made.

There are MANY places where He is worshipped and Jesus NEVER tells them not to worship Him, NOT once. Only God is to be worshipped, because Jesus IS God, Jesus IS worshipped:

Mt 2:11 And when they were come into the house, they saw the young child with Mary his mother, and fell down, and worshipped him: and when they had opened their treasures, they presented unto him gifts; gold, and frankincense, and myrrh. {presented: or, offered}
Mt 8:2 And, behold, there came a leper and worshipped him, saying, Lord, if thou wilt, thou canst make me clean.
Mt 9:18 ¶ While he spake these things unto them, behold, there came a certain ruler, and worshipped him, saying, My daughter is even now dead: but come and lay thy hand upon her, and she shall live.
Mt 14:33 Then they that were in the ship came and worshipped him, saying, Of a truth thou art the Son of God.
Mt 15:25 Then came she and worshipped him, saying, Lord, help me.
Mt 18:26 The servant therefore fell down, and worshipped him, saying, Lord, have patience with me, and I will pay thee all. {worshipped him: or, besought him}
Mt 28:9 And as they went to tell his disciples, behold, Jesus met them, saying, All hail. And they came and held him by the feet, and worshipped him.
Mt 28:17 And when they saw him, they worshipped him: but some doubted.
Mr 5:6 But when he saw Jesus afar off, he ran and worshipped him,
Mr 15:19 And they smote him on the head with a reed, and did spit upon him, and bowing their knees worshipped him.
Lu 24:52 And they worshipped him, and returned to Jerusalem with great joy:
Joh 9:38 And he said, Lord, I believe. And he worshipped him.
Ac 10:25 And as Peter was coming in, Cornelius met him, and fell down at his feet, and worshipped him.
Re 5:14 And the four beasts said, Amen. And the four and twenty elders fell down and worshipped him that liveth for ever and ever.

Scripture refers to Him as the Lord, Jesus Christ. The phrase "The Lord" is unique only to God:

Here are a few mentioning "The Lord Your God"

De 5:6 ¶ I am the LORD thy God, which brought thee out of the land of Egypt, from the house of bondage. {bondage: Heb. servants}

De 5:9 Thou shalt not bow down thyself unto them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me,

De 5:11 Thou shalt not take the name of the LORD thy God in vain: for the LORD will not hold him guiltless that taketh his name in vain.

De 5:12 Keep the sabbath day to sanctify it, as the LORD thy God hath commanded thee.

Here are many calling Him Jesus Christ, The Lord.

Ac 11:17 Forasmuch then as God gave them the like gift as he did unto us, who believed on the Lord Jesus Christ; what was I, that I could withstand God?

Ac 15:11 But we believe that through the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ we shall be saved, even as they.

Ac 16:31 And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house.

Ac 28:31 Preaching the kingdom of God, and teaching those things which concern the Lord Jesus Christ, with all confidence, no man forbidding him.

Ro 1:7 To all that be in Rome, beloved of God, called to be saints: Grace to you and peace from God our Father, and the Lord Jesus Christ.

Ro 13:14 But put ye on the Lord Jesus Christ, and make not provision for the flesh, to fulfil the lusts thereof.

Ro 15:30 ¶ Now I beseech you, brethren, for the Lord Jesus Christ's sake, and for the love of the Spirit, that ye strive together with me in your prayers to God for me;

1Co 1:3 Grace be unto you, and peace, from God our Father, and from the Lord Jesus Christ.

1Co 16:22 If any man love not the Lord Jesus Christ, let him be Anathema Maranatha.

2Co 1:2 Grace be to you and peace from God our Father, and from the Lord Jesus Christ.

2Co 13:14 The grace of the Lord Jesus Christ, and the love of God, and the communion of the Holy Ghost, be with you all. Amen. <<The second [epistle to the Corinthians was written from Philippi, a city of Macedonia, by Titus and Lucas.]>>

Eph 1:2 Grace be to you, and peace, from God our Father, and from the Lord Jesus Christ.

Eph 6:23 Peace be to the brethren, and love with faith, from God the Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.

Php 1:2 Grace be unto you, and peace, from God our Father, and from the Lord Jesus Christ.

Php 3:20 For our conversation is in heaven; from whence also we look for the Saviour, the Lord Jesus Christ: {conversation...: or, we live or conduct ourselves as citizens of heaven, or, for obtaining heaven}

Col 1:2 To the saints and faithful brethren in Christ which are at Colosse: Grace be unto you, and peace, from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.

1Th 1:1 ¶ Paul, and Silvanus, and Timotheus, unto the church of the Thessalonians which is in God the Father and in the Lord Jesus Christ: Grace be unto you, and peace, from God our Father, and the Lord Jesus Christ.

Oh, Muslims have a reason, they are commanded to MURDER unbelievers by their false book the quran. mohammad was a murderer who spread islam by the sword. Why does it need to be spread by the sword? Because it's a lie and cannot convince people by the facts.





Yes, yes and yes. God is 3 persons FATHER, SON and SPIRIT.

1Jo 5:7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.

The Spirit Raised Jesus: Quickened means "made alive"

1Pe 3:18 ¶ For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit:

The Father raised Jesus:

Ga 1:1 ¶ Paul, an apostle, (not of men, neither by man, but by Jesus Christ, and God the Father, who raised him from the dead;)




First of all, the quran wasn't written until 500 years after the events by a man who directly contradicts what those who were actually THERE wrote down and said. He also contradicts secular historians who were alive in Jesus's day. the only reason that islam spread was because mohammad murdered anyone who wouldn't convert to his lies. that includes the arabic people. they used to follow Christianity before that happened.


Jesus wrote the Bible Via the Holy Spirt via the Actual Eyewitnesses to the events. Peter and John were 2 of the 12 disciples of Jesus who walked directly with Jesus. James and Jude were Jesus's half brothers. Paul murdered Christians like mohammad did, but God called him to suffer for the sake of the gospel that it might go out to the ends of the earth. The other writers were followers of Jesus and eyewitnesses to the events. They knew Jesus personally. Most of them were murdered for spreading the gospel of Jesus Christ.

Why don't you use logic and reject islam for the false religion that it is and accept Jesus's Christ's free gift of salvation by grace through faith in the EYEWITNESS and HISTORICAL fact that He died on the Cross and Rose from the Dead for the Sins of the World. All you have to do is BELIEVE it and ACCEPT it in your heart. God will save you.

This post was edited by xfrodobagginsx on Aug 23 2012 06:56pm

See you make claims yet you don't provide evidence. How do you know mohammad is a liar. I can prove to you in your own bible. That jesus is not the son of god nor god. I can prove to you in your bible that jesus was talking about mohammad that will come in the near future and btw. Please answer me this.

How is the bible the word of god when it is written by. Mark/John/Matthew?

For the quran atleast we know it is written by someone who claims he is a prophet.

You are ignorant. You just believe whatever the media tells you to believe. You are claiming the quran is a false book yet you can't provide any proof. If you want I will give you proof from your own bible proving Jesus is not the son of god.