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Oct 17 2023 01:45pm
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You're just in a salad of your own thoughts now. Which makes sense. I've debunked literally every claim you've made and shown you were dishonest by actively ignoring the most important parts of the land use agreement you yourself were constantly citing.
So to summarize. Trump cannot break apart the lot, cannot redevelop the lot, cannot modify the building on the lot, cannot build residential space on the lot, and that makes it worth massively less compared to the surrounding land that can be developed into residential space.
Trump actively misrepresented the state of affairs when evaluating Mar a lago for the purposes of securing credit because he admitted it was evaluated as though he would be allowed to redevelop it into residential space.
When the judge got it appraised he relied on a local appraiser that took into account both the revenue of mar a lago (25M) and the expenses. This was a standard assessment for all clubs under land use agreements in Palm Beach.


And once again, you're stuck defying basic common sense and math and logic, claiming that an opulent mansion on a 17 acre lot with two oceanfronts is worth a fraction of a 0.5 acre landlocked lot next to it, and claiming that a club bringing in $25 million+ in revenue per year is worth less than its earnings. And nothing you've said so far has addressed that. Because no matter what you say, you can't make two and two add up to three. In reality, Trump actually could get that lot broken up if he wanted and the agreement dissolved, and every market value assessment of MAL has put it at a conservative minimum of $350 million+ in value.
What's supposed to be the response to that? You have no moon logic or fantasy math that will magically make a business turning a profit worth less than its own earnings. You can't pretend a giant palace on prime 17 acres which has the option of being turned into a primary residence at any time is somehow worth less than 0.5 acre lots next to it.
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Oct 17 2023 01:46pm
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And once again, you're stuck defying basic common sense and math and logic, claiming that an opulent mansion on a 17 acre lot with two oceanfronts is worth a fraction of a 0.5 acre landlocked lot next to it, and claiming that a club bringing in $25 million+ in revenue per year is worth less than its earnings. And nothing you've said so far has addressed that. Because no matter what you say, you can't make two and two add up to three. In reality, Trump actually could get that lot broken up if he wanted and the agreement dissolved, and every market value assessment of MAL has put it at a conservative minimum of $350 million+ in value.
What's supposed to be the response to that? You have no moon logic or fantasy math that will magically make a business turning a profit worth less than its own earnings. You can't pretend a giant palace on prime 17 acres which has the option of being turned into a primary residence at any time is somehow worth less than 0.5 acre lots next to it.


I've actually addressed literally every single one of these points. So go cry more lol

It's worth less than surrounding lots because you can't do anything with it. This is just how real estate works. 25 million revenue doesn't mean shit when its got a high operating expense.

These are just basic facts that you aren't able to cope with, so you whine and cry about how I haven't addressed things when I've explicitly addressed them.

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Oct 17 2023 01:51pm
Funny thing is even if you give Trump the absolute greatest benefit of the doubt possible and multiply the appraisal by like 500%, an absolutely ridiculous assumption, he still over-valued his property by several hundred percent.

That's how bad this is.
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Oct 17 2023 01:59pm
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Funny thing is even if you give Trump the absolute greatest benefit of the doubt possible and multiply the appraisal by like 500%, an absolutely ridiculous assumption, he still over-valued his property by several hundred percent.

That's how bad this is.


Except in every sane estimate its the exact opposite way around: Trump made an accurate estimate of its value on its SFC and the appraised value for tax purposes was multiplied by like 5%
And its funny how you aren't making that argument, because you'd have to explain why you think New York and not Florida should have jurisdiction over any claims of fraud
Again: Telling the truth on an SFC isn't fraud.

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I've actually addressed literally every single one of these points. So go cry more lol
It's worth less than surrounding lots because you can't do anything with it. This is just how real estate works. 25 million revenue doesn't mean shit when its got a high operating expense.
These are just basic facts that you aren't able to cope with, so you whine and cry about how I haven't addressed things when I've explicitly addressed them.


That's not how either real estate or business works and every single outside assessment by anyone credible comes up with figures in the hundreds of millions range. You're just ignoring basic business standards, the operating profit margins of MAL run around 20% same as most resorts and clubs.
It also defies the basic logic of how MAL became a club in the first place: Because Donald Trump wanted to make money off it to prop up his floundering real estate market, and MAL became one of his biggest earners and turned around his finances.
All that was already available in Trump's financial filings.
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Oct 17 2023 02:08pm
some judge is real estate expert..........
lol fuk that i been in court before fukn judges are there for the cha ching

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Oct 17 2023 02:12pm
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Except in every sane estimate its the exact opposite way around: Trump made an accurate estimate of its value on its SFC and the appraised value for tax purposes was multiplied by like 5%
And its funny how you aren't making that argument, because you'd have to explain why you think New York and not Florida should have jurisdiction over any claims of fraud
Again: Telling the truth on an SFC isn't fraud.



That's not how either real estate or business works and every single outside assessment by anyone credible comes up with figures in the hundreds of millions range. You're just ignoring basic business standards, the operating profit margins of MAL run around 20% same as most resorts and clubs.
It also defies the basic logic of how MAL became a club in the first place: Because Donald Trump wanted to make money off it to prop up his floundering real estate market, and MAL became one of his biggest earners and turned around his finances.
All that was already available in Trump's financial filings.


I dont know why you keep using this defense you are trying to work against hundreds of years of principle

the courts will hilariously reject that defense if they actually bring it up in trial

I cant wait for 45ths lawyers to be dumb enough to argue that in court open and shut case then lmfao
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Oct 17 2023 02:17pm
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Except in every sane estimate its the exact opposite way around:


and yet Trump couldn't come up with a single appraiser to make that argument to the judge. The only guy he could get was somebody who came in and said "yeah but maybe he could get Elon Musk to buy it"

I'm bored with this. I've proven that you've lied about literally every claim by simply reading the ~10 page document that controls how MAL can be developed.

Seriously you claimed the land use agreement doesn't limit splitting or redevelopment when it says explicitly that it does. Why should I keep talking when you're so willing to lie about what's just written on a piece of paper we can all google?
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Oct 17 2023 02:19pm
Quote (Crunkt @ Oct 17 2023 03:12pm)
I dont know why you keep using this defense you are trying to work against hundreds of years of principle

the courts will hilariously reject that defense if they actually bring it up in trial

I cant wait for 45ths lawyers to be dumb enough to argue that in court open and shut case then lmfao


He's seriously arguing that New York can't enforce documents signed in New York under New York business law just because the property is owned in another state.

The dishonesty is just... insane. I will never understand how somebody can be so willing to tell blatant lies.
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Oct 17 2023 02:25pm
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and yet Trump couldn't come up with a single appraiser to make that argument to the judge. The only guy he could get was somebody who came in and said "yeah but maybe he could get Elon Musk to buy it"

I'm bored with this. I've proven that you've lied about literally every claim by simply reading the ~10 page document that controls how MAL can be developed.

Seriously you claimed the land use agreement doesn't limit splitting or redevelopment when it says explicitly that it does. Why should I keep talking when you're so willing to lie about what's just written on a piece of paper we can all google?


He brought an expert witness who had experience in the florida real estate market who explained it to the judge, who simply ignored the witness. The judge is free to do whatever he wants and live in cloudcuckooland with only higher courts for accountability.
You're still here trying to claim that 2 and 2 adds up to 3. You can't create any plausible scenario in which a business pulling in $25 million+ revenue and a mansion on a 17 acre dual oceanfront lot is worth less than it earns and less than neighboring land locked 0.5 acre lots
And you can't, because that doesn't make any sense whatsoever

Go dig up any estimate of the property in the media or by other real estate experts. All you're going to see is that the judge made a profound error;

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The director of the school of real estate at Florida International University, Eli Beracha, tells the Sun that the metric used by the judge is “not a good way to value the property” and is “not the right approach.” He adds that real estate professionals “don’t even look at county appraisal data,” which Judge Engoron relied on in rendering summary judgment.
Mr. Beracha adds that “any real estate professional would say that market value and county appraisal are not the same thing,” and that it is “not the job of the county appraiser to assess value. If it was,” he explains, “we wouldn’t need Zillow.” County officials, like the ones in Palm Beach County that Judge Engoron cites, merely perform “drive-by appraisals” that are used to assess taxes, not total value.

One real estate attorney, Rachamim Cohen, tells the Sun: “I would not use, nor have I seen a bank use the County market valuation in obtaining a mortgage.” Mr. Beracha, the professor, agrees, explaining that “the appraisal value is detached from the true value of the property.”
The Sun has reported on widespread incredulity that Mar-a-Lago could be valued — as Judge Engoron suggests — at between $18 million and $27.6 million. One broker called it a “ridiculous” appraisal. The unnerving possibility that the jurist’s process could have been flawed underscores how the victory he handed New York could have short-circuited the clarification and corrections a trial on the valuations would have allowed.
The possible error that they are pointing to suggests not just that the valuation Judge Engoron assigned to Mar-a-Lago is wrong, but that he used the wrong metric altogether, one that no real estate maven in the know would use to assess a property’s market value. It suggests that the whole basis of the trial that is beginning today — and is expected to last until nearly the end of the year — is based on a faulty judgment.
At issue is whether Mar-a-Lago’s value as discovered by the Palm Beach County assessor is an indicator of market value, as Judge Engoron asserted when he found Mr. Trump liable for fraud. The former president asserted that the property is worth between $426,529,614 million and $612,110,496 million.
The public information officer at the Palm Beach County Property Appraiser’s Office, Becky Robinson, told the Sun that her unit possesses a “specific scope of responsibility when it comes to valuation of property for the purposes of taxation,” not the market value.
When it comes to assessing the market value, Ms. Robinson told the Sun, “I do not believe that our office would be the best to answer these questions,” suggesting that the estimation of a property’s value is outside of her office’s purview. Yet the benchmark used by Judge Engoron was precisely that prepared by Palm Beach County’s “Tax Assessor,” and the relevant document is labeled “Real Property Tax Assessor Record.”


Even the office of the tax assessor in Florida disavows trying to use assessed value as a market value. Forget asking experts, they went right to the person doing the assessments and asked her
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Oct 17 2023 02:35pm
Quote (Goomshill @ Oct 17 2023 05:43pm)
Well at least we're exposing who on PARD has never owned property. 'Its zoned for single family housing, its worthless!' :rofl:

Seriously this is like the legal arguments soverign citizens try to make in court. Your honor, is that not a naval ensign flag in the courtroom? I demand maritime law upon international waters. What? Its just a regular stars and bars? But Alex Jones told me-

You guys can't possibly be this clueless about how residential property is zoned. Have you guys all lived in a
subsidized housing your entire lives? Oh my god just read the top google link for the use agreement, read the top google link for the terms you dont know

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Single-family_zoning


I currently own 11 properties, one of them is ~2,600 acres.
Trump already tried to subdivide the land was told he couldn't and that he never could, that is why he went with the club and took the tax breaks.
The agreement he signed is VERY clear in that the land can only be used as an individual residence or a club, he signed the rights to anything else away forever.
You can not evaluate a property based on something that you have been clearly told you are not allowed to do, this is fraud.
I have a cattle property that i could fit a wind farm on, i can not sell it as a potential wind farm because i can not legally clear the trees needed to do it.
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