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Quote (thesnipa @ 28 Aug 2021 00:39)
Cause and effect. They're driven to extremist groups from some strikes and there are more easily radicalized.

The bombers are so often 14 year old fatherless boys



Quote (fender @ 28 Aug 2021 04:04)
call it what you want, it's not even the main point i was making in that post. i was just asking why blackx was so adamant about american drone and bomb strikes being an overstated factor when it comes to the motivations of islamist terrorists. of course he dodged that question, since he doesn't have anything to support his stance, and the obvious goal was to downplay america's role in creating those terrorists...

:rolleyes:

One of the few serious studies on the blowback hypothesis found no evidence:
https://direct.mit.edu/isec/article/42/4/47/12192/Do-U-S-Drone-Strikes-Cause-Blowback-Evidence-from
https://www.lawfareblog.com/drone-blowback-much-ado-about-nothing

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Although scholars have extensively debated the military effectiveness, legal status, and ethics of drone warfare, there has been no systematic study of drone blowback beyond statements from some important public figures, anecdotes about individual terrorists, advocacy-driven research, and media commentary. In this article, I examine the conventional wisdom on drone blowback and and that most critics of drone warfare assume, rather than demonstrate, the occurrence of blowback, typically pointing to a specific theater of supposed blowback or lumping together different theaters, often without specifying the causal mechanisms that connect drone strikes to blowback in each case.


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I find no evidence of a significant impact of drone strikes on the recruitment of militants either locally or nationally. Instead, my data and secondary sources suggest that militant recruitment is a complex process driven by a variety of factors, some of which scholars and analysts have already identified. These include political grievances, the Pakistani state’s sponsorship of militancy as a tool of foreign policy, state repression, weak governance, and coercive recruitment by militant groups.

Additionally, my examination of the trial testimony and accounts of terrorists convicted in the United States, together with social science scholarship on Muslim radicalization in the United States and Europe, offers little or no evidence that drone strikes create a systematic pattern of transnational blowback. Although jihadists typically explain their actions as a response to U.S. military interventions in Muslim countries, the main causes of global militant Islamism are not drone strikes but factors such as identity crises suffered by young immigrants, the nature of state integration policies, social networks, and online exposure to extremist ideologies.


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Oooh, now pick holes in it like you do when I point out every credible study has concluded immigrants commit less crimes than native born citizens. Come on, you can do it. This is one study. Should be easy to find the limitations.

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Oooh, now pick holes in it like you do when I point out every credible study has concluded immigrants commit less crimes than native born citizens. Come on, you can do it. This is one study. Should be easy to find the limitations.



Noone cares about your opinion loser.

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Called it.

GET FUKT LIBSHITS.
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Oooh, now pick holes in it like you do when I point out every credible study has concluded immigrants commit less crimes than native born citizens. Come on, you can do it. This is one study. Should be easy to find the limitations.


These studies are obvious crap because they conflate legal and illegal immigrants as well as those coming via positive selection mechanisms (H1-B visas and such) and those coming on humanitarian grounds (resettlement, green card lottery winners). Additionally, virtually all studies from Europe show that non-EU immigrants in our countries commit violent crime and receive welfare benefits at vastly disproportionate rates compared to the domestic population or EU migrants.

Generally speaking, it is not my job to pick holes in my own arguments - that's a job for "the other side". :)

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Noone cares about your opinion loser.



Called it.

GET FUKT LIBSHITS.


Does the lib stand for libertarian in this case? Ron "I'm a faggot" Paul was one of the primary politicians to push this theory.

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Does the lib stand for libertarian in this case? Ron "I'm a faggot" Paul was one of the primary politicians to push this theory.


His support of cocaine legalization made up for it.
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His support of cocaine legalization made up for it.


I don't do beaner drugs.
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Quote (Black XistenZ @ Aug 28 2021 12:17am)
These studies are obvious crap because they conflate legal and illegal immigrants as well as those coming via positive selection mechanisms (H1-B visas and such) and those coming on humanitarian grounds (resettlement, green card lottery winners). Additionally, virtually all studies from Europe show that non-EU immigrants in our countries commit violent crime and receive welfare benefits at vastly disproportionate rates compared to the domestic population or EU migrants.

Generally speaking, it is not my job to pick holes in my own arguments - that's a job for "the other side". :)


Generally speaking, it is your job to pick holes in every argument you make before you make it. That's called being honest. What you've just told me is that you go out of your way to make sure you're as loaded with confirmation bias as possible. Explains a lot honestly.

I've invited you to find any source for the U.S. that shows those coming from humanitarian grounds commit more crime, or that illegal immigrants specifically commit more crime, and you've failed for like 5 years now, and I've linked you dozens of sources that say the exact opposite. I've also pointed out about a dozen times that the only source you have for them committing more crime in the United States is patently biased sources, and that the incentive to stay under the radar far outweighs the incentive to avoid reporting. So, again, eat shit.
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Variety of factors right? When the usa removed all factors for the most part except drones we made that our only real factor that contributed right?
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