Hiring, $15 an hour, graduate degree required.

People should hold out as long as they're being ripped off.

Specialized roles don't have enough skilled people to fill them and your response is that UBI, something that doesn't exist and has never existed, causes this? That's a monumentally stupid take on its face, and doubly so when you see that studies going all the way back to the 60's has shown beyond any semblence of a doubt that the only groups that work less with UBI are students and new mothers.

Maybe if we invested in training programs and education didn't cost an arm and a leg we would have more skilled workers to fill these roles. Oh no, that's socialism. Sorry, you won't go for that either.

no, we see the consequences, they're just preferable to mass starvation and crime that an automated world will create otherwise.

the issue is that simpletons see a laborless world as a variable, instead of a looming constant. you're overburdened by perspective, and will likely send your kids off to college to follow your path, to their detriment.

15 bucks an hour is below entry-level to work at Wendy's 2 miles from my house. And I live in a part of the country where the cost of living is well below the national average. That place has had a hiring sign for ever regardless.



It would be a stupid take if the article only talked about specialized labor, but it clearly talks about entry-level things as well. Most of the work demand is still low-skill things.

A high school diploma doesn't cost anything, and that's what you need to go work in the sectors I've mentioned, most of the time you don't even need that. My cousin can't find basic clean-up job roofers offering like 20 bucks an hour. Half the people working for him are HS dropouts, other half are convicts. Most vocational programs are also relatively cheap in comparison to college. The argument is this is happening because we need to spend more on schooling is textbook square peg in round hole.




That's one take. Or they could just simply fill those millions of low-skilled, low entry barriers jobs and not starve?

This post was edited by ofthevoid on May 4 2021 09:27am

Just looked up "Welding vocational school" and found this. Still seems expensive as fuck. Doesn't seem square peg round hole to me.

https://www.missouriweldinginstitute.com/masterpipefitting

$9900 for a pipe fitting course, and that's the cheapest course. Others are 13.7 and 16.9 thousand.

Seems my exact concerns and solutions were right on the money, because one of these classes is equivilant to 2-4+ semesters of tuition at Missouri State.

This post was edited by Thor123422 on May 4 2021 09:29am

You're going to rent a truck and move your things and relocate with no money or job? That's fucking stupid dude. You just don't think sometimes.

This post was edited by Skinned on May 4 2021 09:31am

A welding program costs 2-8 grand and is usually lasts from a few months up to a year. That's between 1/5-1/10 the cost of a 4-year state school degree.

https://weldingnearyou.com/school-cost/#:~:text=For%20example,%20Modern%20Welding%20School,$8,100%20and%20lasts%20nine%20months.

But regardless, once again you glossed over the point that most of the demand is not just specialized labor like welders or pipefitters but just entry-level.



Wtf are you talking about? Put your thoughts into words because i have no idea what you're getting at.

This post was edited by ofthevoid on May 4 2021 09:38am

Your link says 5-15k for welding training programs. 2k might be possible some places, but not typical at all, and then equipment, housing, meals, lab fees, etc. aren't included in that. It's a pretty serious cost. Not something to pitch to somebody who just lost their job.

If there's entry level jobs paying really good wages, then I guarantee there's another factor there that you aren't seeing. $15 at Wendys sounds good maybe as a temp job, but the benefits and hours are going to be crap, and the cost of their health insurance is going to annihilate your earnings. Think a grand a month for a family of 4. And likely has nothing as far as retirement benefits. Most people would be better off not applying at all and just dedicating more time looking for a real job, and those places know that. They aren't going to see a resume with a professional job on it and call tha person back, because they know in two months they're going to have found something better with real benefits and moved on.

Also gotta look at turnover. Lots of places are getting 100 applicants a week and hiring, but seeing massive turnover and so they're always hiring.

This post was edited by Thor123422 on May 4 2021 10:27am

the upper limit of 15k on welding programs almost certainly includes cnc training for automated welding.

if you're paying 15k just to learn how to do even the most stringent 3A dairy welding, grinding, electro polishing, etc you're getting fleeced.

full training in that field should be 1 school year or under, maximum.

The numbers quoted are

6k, 7k, 8.1k, 2/31k (in/out of state), 1.9k/11.4k

So it seems the defining characteristic here is it can be really cheap if your state has invested in vocational training. Ya know, that thing I said we should do lol

Also says



Which is pretty significant.

This post was edited by Thor123422 on May 4 2021 10:26am