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Quote (fender @ 7 May 2020 20:02)


Murphy (D-CT) went to meet with Iranian officials in mid-February (Iran had early covid-19 outbreaks)

just over a month later later CT is, being one part of the tri-state area, one of the largest affected areas in terms of covid-19 cases and still continues to be.

coincidence? prob not

This post was edited by excellence on May 7 2020 06:13pm
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Current statistics show that ~80-90% of deaths in some states, 50%+ in others, are at senior care facilities. Strong argument that the pandemic may be almost over in terms of deaths outside care homes.
Main issue with quarantining care homes is that they need people to provide care, but care-givers are exposed to the wider world even if the old folks are stuck in isolation, exposing homes to covid-19 and resulting in mass deaths.

So

rate my humble proposition
we give senior care providers the option to either live in quarantine or be furloughed, and supplement the care needed by calling in the national guard to scrub bedpans and give sponge baths
the national guard members would then live in special quarantined barracks or isolated facilities next to / within care centers

problem solved I'll take my reward now thanks

This post was edited by Goomshill on May 7 2020 09:17pm
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May 7 2020 10:46pm
Dude, this isn't fair.

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Quote (Handcuffs @ May 7 2020 11:46pm)
Dude, this isn't fair.

https://i.imgur.com/2hXnAVX.png


Thats hot
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Quote (Handcuffs @ May 8 2020 12:46am)
Dude, this isn't fair.

https://i.imgur.com/2hXnAVX.png


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Quote (Goomshill @ 8 May 2020 05:16)
Current statistics show that ~80-90% of deaths in some states, 50%+ in others, are at senior care facilities. Strong argument that the pandemic may be almost over in terms of deaths outside care homes.
Main issue with quarantining care homes is that they need people to provide care, but care-givers are exposed to the wider world even if the old folks are stuck in isolation, exposing homes to covid-19 and resulting in mass deaths.

So

rate my humble proposition
we give senior care providers the option to either live in quarantine or be furloughed, and supplement the care needed by calling in the national guard to scrub bedpans and give sponge baths
the national guard members would then live in special quarantined barracks or isolated facilities next to / within care centers

problem solved I'll take my reward now thanks


Even then, you cant keep all those old people lonely and isolated for 12-18 months. For a lot of them, visits from their friends and family are the only reason to live that's left. The loneliness and isolation would also have disastrous consequences on their psychological and mental state. Sure, they are the most vulnerable group and giving them extra protection is of course necessary, but essentially quarantining them until there's a vaccine is just neither feasible nor humane.

Not to mention that most national guardists are only part-timers and would struggle immensely, both in terms of their jobs/businesses and their family life, with being deployed for such a long timespan in a row. A lot of them might also not be thrilled to change bedpans and diapers for months on end, that's not really what they or anyone else had in mind when they signed up for the NG. The willingness to serve in the NG would be left in shambles by such a move if you ask me...

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Quote (EndlessSky @ May 7 2020 10:18pm)
Republican conspiracy


I knew you were behind this all along, EndlessSky.
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May 8 2020 08:39am
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/05/08/world/americas/mexico-coronavirus-count.html

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The Mexican government is not reporting hundreds, possibly thousands, of deaths from the coronavirus in Mexico City, dismissing anxious officials who have tallied more than three times as many fatalities in the capital than the government publicly acknowledges
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Quote (Black XistenZ @ May 7 2020 08:29am)
I said excluding a lot of college students would shift the electorate to the right. Which no sane person will dispute.



The rest of your rant is based on a wrong premise.

The income breakdown for the 2016 presidential election [1]:
https://i.imgur.com/VpRgN39.jpg

And the same for the 2018 House election [2]:
https://i.imgur.com/J1nBgZi.jpg

So gtfo with your ideolgy-driven delusion that Republican/Trump voters are all poor white trash.




References:
[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_United_States_presidential_election#Voter_demographics

[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2018_United_States_House_of_Representatives_elections#Voter_demographics


That looks like an even split in the wealthy brackets, im surprised
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May 8 2020 12:38pm
Quote (duffman316 @ 8 May 2020 16:52)
That looks like an even split in the wealthy brackets, im surprised


The true underlying mechanics behind those topline numbers are far more complicated:

The GOP coalition is fueled by
- rural whites, which tend to be a comparatively poor demographic
- middle and mid-to-high income whites
- a couple of really fucking rich people


while the Democratic coalition is fueled by
- blacks, which skew poor across the whole country
- latinos, which also skew poor
- high-education whites, which are either:
-- low-mid income (think of traditional union members or the feminist dance therapy major)
-- high to very high income professionals


Basically: the first two deciles of the income distribution lean Democratic, as do the 8th and parts of the 9th, while the 4th through 6th as well as the top 1% leans Republican.


Among the wealthy, the relatively even split comes from education: professionals (lawyers, scientists, physicians, journalists, bureaucrats etc.) lean Democratic, while businesspeople, realtors, salespeople etc. lean Republican. Between roughly the 7th and 9th decile of the income distribution, these two groups roughly balance each other out.


Generally speaking, the income split in the US electorate has decreased in recent cycles as the voting system is in the process of being rearranged around the "social/cultural policy dimension" instead of the economic/fiscal policy dimension.


Another factor to keep in mind is local cost of living: Democrats dominate the big cities, where cost of living and wages are substantially higher. A white GOP voter from Ohio earning $70k per year might have more disposable income than a $90k per year Democrat from San Francisco or New York City. Simply put, this has a dampening effect on the income split we see. If we compared the voter demographics by local purchasing power adjusted income instead of nominal income, then Republicans would hold a larger lead.



Notetoself: cut the offtopic :santa:

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