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Jun 21 2016 05:27pm
Quote (EndlessSky @ Jun 21 2016 03:50pm)
He was right. Gun free-zones are full retard.


That wasn't what he was saying, and even if he was competent enough to have made that argument instead, he still wouldn't be right. There is no systematic targeting of gun-free zones.

Quote (stimpy6298 @ Jun 20 2016 04:57pm)
idk pollster does that much money need to be actually raised just for smut adds on the radio/ tv ? Im sure some of that goes towards rallies and what not but that's an absurd amount of money for a job that only pays like 300k per year


Should it cost that much to fund a campaign? No, but it does. The GOP wants to raise $1 billion because they assume Clinton will, and they're failing because Trump isn't holding up his end. Now the GOP thinks the number is $1.5 billion, even as Trump lowers his goal to $300 million (he probably wouldn't even hit that without self-funding).

The advertising budget is just one part of the operation, though it is of paramount importance to the Republicans since they rely so heavily on negative TV ads to get votes. Trump doesn't need $1.5 billion but he does need several hundred million on account of all the things national campaigns are expected to finance. Trump doesn't have those things, literally any of them. He's basically relying on the RNC's field staff and their COH, and the ads being run by big-money outside groups, in hopes that someone else, literally anyone else, will win this election for him.
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Jun 21 2016 06:16pm
Quote (Pollster @ Jun 21 2016 07:27pm)
That wasn't what he was saying, and even if he was competent enough to have made that argument instead, he still wouldn't be right. There is no systematic targeting of gun-free zones.



Should it cost that much to fund a campaign? No, but it does. The GOP wants to raise $1 billion because they assume Clinton will, and they're failing because Trump isn't holding up his end. Now the GOP thinks the number is $1.5 billion, even as Trump lowers his goal to $300 million (he probably wouldn't even hit that without self-funding).

The advertising budget is just one part of the operation, though it is of paramount importance to the Republicans since they rely so heavily on negative TV ads to get votes. Trump doesn't need $1.5 billion but he does need several hundred million on account of all the things national campaigns are expected to finance. Trump doesn't have those things, literally any of them. He's basically relying on the RNC's field staff and their COH, and the ads being run by big-money outside groups, in hopes that someone else, literally anyone else, will win this election for him.


50 people dead IS "targeting," dumbass.
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Jun 21 2016 06:34pm
Quote (Beowulf @ Jun 21 2016 06:00pm)
I never really understand the more people should be packing in public argument

Cops have no idea which are good and which are bad when they arrive on scene. This isn't a western movie, the good guys aren't in white and the bad aren't in black

situations in darkened rooms like theaters or poppin' gay bars are going to be near impossible for people to decipher good from bad especially in the midst of chaos

and that's just when something rare like this happens it also opens up all sorts of other issues like accidents, escalated disputes, etc in the meantime



I suppose the idea is that with police response times being so high the shit would be settled before they get there. But the imagination is pretty high. It also assumes people wouldn't see the second shooter, think they're part of it and start shooting them as well.
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Jun 21 2016 07:00pm
Quote (EndlessSky @ Jun 21 2016 05:16pm)
50 people dead IS "targeting," dumbass.


Does your ability to read stop functioning in the middle of sentences? I could imagine how that would be really inconvenient.

There is no systematic targeting of gun-free zones. The nightclub wasn't targeted because it was a gun-free zone, it was targeted because it had gay people in it, and because the shooter wanted to kill gay people.
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Jun 21 2016 07:51pm
Quote (Pollster @ Jun 21 2016 09:00pm)
Does your ability to read stop functioning in the middle of sentences? I could imagine how that would be really inconvenient.

There is no systematic targeting of gun-free zones. The nightclub wasn't targeted because it was a gun-free zone, it was targeted because it had gay people in it, and because the shooter wanted to kill gay people.


You're just retarded. The club was a gun free zone.

It didn't happen in Texas for a reason.

A shooting happened the same day in Texas even, nobody died.

Quote (Beowulf @ Jun 21 2016 07:06pm)
This isn't a movie. Your fantasy of one shot one kill one hero and one dead terrorist is not the likely outcome.

Situations can be made worse and more situations can be created by arming more people that are fearful and aggressive


One shooter isn't going to kill fifty people with one clip of ammo when there are other armed people in the room.

Even if there is one or two collateral, it isn't fifty.

Use your fucking imagination. Or better yet, math.

This post was edited by EndlessSky on Jun 21 2016 07:53pm
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Jun 21 2016 08:26pm
#nobrakes

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Jun 21 2016 08:28pm
Such a surprise that someone so staid and thoughtful is plummeting in national polls, how could it be?
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Jun 21 2016 08:40pm
Quote (EndlessSky @ Jun 21 2016 08:51pm)
You're just retarded. The club was a gun free zone.

It didn't happen in Texas for a reason.

A shooting happened the same day in Texas even, nobody died.



One shooter isn't going to kill fifty people with one clip of ammo when there are other armed people in the room.

Even if there is one or two collateral, it isn't fifty.

Use your fucking imagination. Or better yet, math.



This makes your point nicely





Pulse did have an armed guard out front, but this shooter went in from the back and rushed him from behind.

This post was edited by Master_Zappy on Jun 21 2016 08:44pm
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Quote (Master_Zappy @ Jun 21 2016 10:40pm)
This makes your point nicely

http://truthaboutguns-zippykid.netdna-ssl.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/06/courtesy-LGBT-for-Gun-Rights-Facebook-page.jpg



Pulse did have an armed guard out front, but this shooter went in from the back and rushed him from behind.


Thank you.
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Jun 21 2016 10:42pm
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