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Aug 14 2021 05:37pm
Quote (Black XistenZ @ Aug 14 2021 07:26pm)
There's definitely lots of tasks that are better tackled by a public entity rather than by individuals or corporations. Defense, police, firefighters, first responders, roads, rural electrification, schools - all of these things are collective goods which must be organized by an entity that operates for the common cause. The problem is not the existence of a centralized government, the problem is the corruption of government by special or particular interests as well as the self-interest of the government machine to preserve its funding and expand its scope.


Virtually all of this is wrong.

Those things do not have to be done by government.
Public schools are an abomination and indoctrination. Private schools exist.
Private roads exist.
Volunteer firefighters and voluntary fire services exist.
Private security exists and can exist in the absence of police, which democrats say they want to defund anyways.

The problem IS the centralized coercive government actually.
The idea that the problems disappear if only you could find the right guys to be the dictator is naive and wrong.
Great men like Rothbard and Mises have written about these topics at length.
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Aug 14 2021 05:40pm
Quote (cambovenzi @ Aug 14 2021 06:37pm)
Virtually all of this is wrong.

Those things do not have to be done by government.
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Dont have to be, but are far more efficient when done centrally.
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Quote (cambovenzi @ 15 Aug 2021 01:37)
Virtually all of this is wrong.

Those things do not have to be done by government.
Public schools are an abomination and indoctrination. Private schools exist.
Private roads exist.
Volunteer firefighters and voluntary fire services exist.
Private security exists and can exist in the absence of police, which democrats say they want to defund anyways.

The problem IS the centralized coercive government actually.
The idea that the problems disappear if only you could find the right guys to be the dictator is naive and wrong.
Great men like Rothbard and Mises have written about these topics at length.


Quote (NetflixAdaptationWidow @ 15 Aug 2021 01:40)
Dont have to be, but are far more efficient when done centrally.

Not just more efficient - in many cases, valuable services would not exist without the state, period.

What if the road or power line to some remote farm is not economically feasible so that no private business would take on the cost?
What if there are not enough volunteer firefighters in a community?
What if a small-ish local community is faced with organized crime which overwhelms their private security?


Radical libertarianism would see vast swaths of the country completely uninhabitated because the infrastructure costs would be too high, and in the larger cities, the various fire and police departments would be organized under one banner which is effectively similar to local government anyway. There would still need to be a federal defense department and so on and forth.
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Aug 14 2021 05:58pm
Quote (NetflixAdaptationWidow @ Aug 14 2021 07:40pm)
Dont have to be, but are far more efficient when done centrally.


Private schools were better than public ones. 60% of Brooklyn high schoolers fail.
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Private schools were better than public ones. 60% of Brooklyn high schoolers fail.


I guess the quality of the average Brooklyn resident is just too low. *shrug*
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Aug 14 2021 07:07pm
Quote (Black XistenZ @ Aug 14 2021 06:55pm)
Not just more efficient - in many cases, valuable services would not exist without the state, period.

What if the road or power line to some remote farm is not economically feasible so that no private business would take on the cost?
What if there are not enough volunteer firefighters in a community?
What if a small-ish local community is faced with organized crime which overwhelms their private security?


Radical libertarianism would see vast swaths of the country completely uninhabitated because the infrastructure costs would be too high, and in the larger cities, the various fire and police departments would be organized under one banner which is effectively similar to local government anyway. There would still need to be a federal defense department and so on and forth.


Almost like humanity started in a pure libertarian environment and we immediately realized if you hit harder you can ignore the rules
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Quote (Black XistenZ @ Aug 14 2021 08:02pm)
I guess the quality of the average Brooklyn resident is just too low. *shrug*


The situation is actually much worse.

The quality of the average citizen is too low.

So the student doesn't show up to class but they pass anyway.

And the school doesn't want to be called racist, so it continues like this indefinitely.

Then we listen to the libshits talk about how charter schools are SoOoOoO BaD.
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Aug 14 2021 08:09pm
Quote (Black XistenZ @ Aug 14 2021 07:26pm)
There's definitely lots of tasks that are better tackled by a public entity rather than by individuals or corporations. Defense, police, firefighters, first responders, roads, rural electrification, schools - all of these things are collective goods which must be organized by an entity that operates for the common cause. The problem is not the existence of a centralized government, the problem is the corruption of government by special or particular interests as well as the self-interest of the government (and the people behind it) to preserve its funding and expand its scope.

Still, claiming that the government does not produce or provide anything of value is absurd.



Na gov is trash at running schools
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Quote (Duckling @ Aug 14 2021 09:09pm)
Na gov is trash at running schools


We used to be pretty good. Then neoconservatism took over and the mantra became sabotage the government to prove that government can't do anything right. In reality government can do things right when neocons aren't actively sabotaging them.
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Quote (NetflixAdaptationWidow @ Aug 14 2021 10:11pm)
We used to be pretty good. Then neoconservatism took over and the mantra became sabotage the government to prove that government can't do anything right. In reality government can do things right when neocons aren't actively sabotaging them.



Radical ideologies are being spearheaded in public schools right now. Wouldn’t call any of the problem conservative in nature. The lack of conservatism is the biggest problem

Also I can run my own school better

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