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Jul 28 2021 06:41pm
Quote (Plaguefear @ 28 Jul 2021 19:05)
I do not preach that regular people should give away their wealth though, you made that up.
I preach that corporations should be broken up and the government should do more to break up monopolies and support small business.
Billionaires exist because we built a system that allows them to exist and flourish, i think that a better system can exist where the oligarchs can hold a much smaller piece of the pie and regular people can find a greater level of success.
Less employees, more owners.

millionaires are regular now? government should inhibit innovation?

what you’re advocating for is an oligarchy in the form that aristole wrote. while I agree with you in its merits it is not possible due to the sheer amount of lazy people who cannot think beyond the linear
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Jul 28 2021 06:45pm
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millionaires are regular now? government should inhibit innovation?

what you’re advocating for is an oligarchy in the form that aristole wrote. while I agree with you in its merits it is not possible due to the sheer amount of lazy people who cannot think beyond the linear


I think it is possible, i think the political will power to make it happen will never exist because lobbying will see to it that no one with these views ever makes it far, bernie should have been president and we could have seen a glimpse of what is possible.
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Jul 28 2021 11:41pm
Quote (Plaguefear @ Jul 29 2021 12:25am)
Where do people think billionaires money comes from?
Every cent in a billionaires bank is less money circulating the economy, you 100% can bring people up by bringing others down, no one became a billionaire without exploitation, period.
All those little mom and pop stores walmart and amazon put out of business would have been where that money went prior to bezos becoming the richest man on the planet.
I do not know why the right is so obsessed with raising up god figures so a single person can benefit from a hundred thousands work.


I may have a few explanations :

stockholm syndrom
junkfood blocking oxygen to the brain. making beggars idolizing people who "succeeded in life"

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that’s just a fraction of your net worth, per you. you dont need that horse or all that excess net worth. practice what you preach.

https://mobile.twitter.com/aginnt/status/1417860184538451968?s=19

lockdowns: the area where Sydney is located locked down with 111 cases and 1 death out of 82k tests. so which Australian state or whatever didnt lock down and had zero cases? Let us guess, Tasmania?


thats some crazy politic but still not as crazy as france though. I heard they're all getting the jab now, despite the cases/deaths being so low.
It would be really a bad timing and a bad luck for australia if the cases would suddently rise after vaccination, right ?
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Jul 29 2021 01:05am
Quote (Plaguefear @ Jul 29 2021 12:07pm)
More strawmen, it is not envy that dictates my position against exploitation, you thinking so is because you think with greed rather than empathy.
I am not jealous of people exploiting others for profit, i have that option available to me and choose not to do so, i despise people who exploit others because they are becoming wealthy at the expense of a society they exploit without providing tangible benefit to.
You only think about your own interests, the best part is you are the fodder these billionaires love, you will NEVER be a billionaire but you are only a freak accident away from homelessness.


ROFL talk about flip flopping. Why don't you provide tangible examples where the so called big companies are exploiting society and which don't provide a benefit to the people. (Federal Reserve doesn't count)
Like i said you don't know what strawman is so stop using it as a dodge.

Also assuming that I will never be a billionaire is a reach. When did I proclaim that I want to be one in the first place? Secondly assuming my wealth or making statements about my state of affairs is just a desperate attempt to cop out.

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ROFL talk about flip flopping. Why don't you provide tangible examples where the so called big companies are exploiting society and which don't provide a benefit to the people.
Like i said you don't know what strawman is so stop using it as a dodge.

Also assuming that I will never be a billionaire is a reach. When did I proclaim that I want to be one in the first place? Secondly assuming my wealth or making statements about my state of affairs is just a desperate attempt to cop out.


What part do you not understand?
Do you understand that hatred and jealousy are two entirely different concepts and that one can exist without the other?
You are making up things i never said and attacking those things instead of what i actually said, TEXTBOOK strawman, maybe its you who doesn't understand what a strawman is despite using them constantly?
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Jul 29 2021 01:20am
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What part do you not understand?
Do you understand that hatred and jealousy are two entirely different concepts and that one can exist without the other?
You are making up things i never said and attacking those things instead of what i actually said, TEXTBOOK strawman, maybe its you who doesn't understand what a strawman is despite using them constantly?


Ok lets stop playing semantics of trivial feeling that you might or might not have. And why don't you provide us with example of these so called "exploitations of society" that these big companies do. Also be kind enough to show how they don't provide any "tangible" benefits as you put it.

For instance Is the Big petrol company that you claimed to have worked for one of those?

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Ok lets stop playing semantics of trivial feeling that you might or might not have. And why don't you provide us with example of these so called "exploitations of society" that these big companies. Also be kind enough to show how they don't provide any "tangible" benefits as you put it.


The entire business model of a place like walmart is to put other businesses out of business so they can monopolise an area, they then pay the bare minimum legally allowed, small town people have no choice outside of working for the one superstore in the area or leaving town.
End result instead of a dozen small businesses flourishing and hundreds of people benefitting, one family has multiple billionaires.
The lack of tangible benefits are clear, they move in and replace other businesses that were already hiring so they are not increasing net employment, wages go down so they are not bringing up the wealth of the area and most people are generally better off before this process.
Home ownership used to be the end goal, now its stable full time work that pays enough to afford rent.
You have bought into neo liberal bullshit about job creation when the fact is if there was enough demand for the corporation to run there was already enough jobs in the area and the demand was created by the workers, they created their own jobs.
People without corporations have always been fine, corporations without people are nothing.
I spent 7 years at the top of a corporation running in a solid monopoly, we did not benefit anyone but shareholders.


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Quote (Plaguefear @ Jul 29 2021 07:26pm)
The entire business model of a place like walmart is to put other businesses out of business so they can monopolise an area, they then pay the bare minimum legally allowed, small town people have no choice outside of working for the one superstore in the area or leaving town.
End result instead of a dozen small businesses flourishing and hundreds of people benefitting, one family has multiple billionaires.
Its called Natural selection. The smarter, faster, better stronger always wins. Why shouldn't that be a good thing? If you have a better idea and cheaper store that pays people more then Walmart and employs more people then why don't you do it? that's how Walmart started. Who is stopping or oppressing you? which law dictates that you cannot be successful?

The lack of tangible benefits are clear, they move in and replace other businesses that were already hiring so they are not increasing net employment, wages go down so they are not bringing up the wealth of the area and most people are generally better off before this process.
Are you fucking kidding me? conveniance of massive retailer with all things one can dream all in one place with the lowest prices that mom and pop stores would never be able to provide. If those mom and pop businesses were so damn great people would be lining up to work there and not in walmart.

Home ownership used to be the end goal, now its stable full time work that pays enough to afford rent.
Thanks captain obvious how is it big companies fault? Ever consider that population increase on a finite planet space to live might also go up? What about inflation? nope all big companies fault right?

You have bought into neo liberal bullshit about job creation when the fact is if there was enough demand for the corporation to run there was already enough jobs in the area and the demand was created by the workers, they created their own jobs.
Again projecting things which I have made no claims to. Also people vote with their dollars did Walmart take money from your wallet with a gun pointing to your head? Supply and demand concept if you are not aware it supplies people with what they want better then others end of story.

People without corporations have always been fine, corporations without people are nothing.
Really? are you delusional? Why don't you throw away that smartphone away and return back to the good ol days of hunting with bow and arrow and patching your mud hut with leaves?

I spent 7 years at the top of a corporation running in a solid monopoly, we did not benefit anyone but shareholders.
Because shareholders are evil scum of the earth which you despise right? You don't invest have any shares in no company at all? Also how delusional can you be if you think that a big petrol corporation doesn't provide benefit when it literally supplies fuel for the entire world


anything else?
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Quote (addone @ Jul 29 2021 06:11pm)
anything else?


We evolved as a species because we overcame natural selection and if we went back to it people like you would be the first to go. I have already debated and debunked all of your points in the past and see no need to revisit them, everything achieved by corporations would have happened without them and likely sooner without bullshit patents and copyright to prop them up and hold back competition.

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Quote (Plaguefear @ Jul 29 2021 08:20pm)
We evolved as a species because we overcame natural selection and if we went back to it people like you would be the first to go.


Well unless you can deadlift a +400 pounds and have experience of hand to hand combat, I am pretty sure I would snap your neck.
Natural selection is still present and will be here long after. Idiots like you try to support people which should never been allowed to exist in the first place.
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