So you think thats funny? Or you believe we already live in a democracy and this dude is stupid?

Let us know.

This post was edited by Bananii on Apr 3 2023 08:52am

The clueless plebs can demand whatever they want. Just like the mob often times demands the death of the alleged murderer/rapist/terrorist in front of a courthouse.
The vast majority of Trump supporters would have no problem if Democratic base voters shout "lock him up".

What is a huge problem and a threat to the rule of law, however, is when a high-ranking representative of the justice system is applying glaring double standards in his prosecution of crimes depending on the identity and politics of the defendant. Or when he's trying to come up with a felony charge for a misdemeanor by twisting the law like a pretzel.

what was the expiration date for that agreement? or clauses that could invalidate it?

it was just a super secret binding agreement that lasted forever no matter what Russia and/or the US did, in perpetuity?

the lack of context around that agreement and literal reading of it always makes me chuckle. helps prove autism is indeed a spectrum.

It wasn't that secret considering we have a lot of diplomatic cables and we know about the not one inch eastward comment.

The whole point of you and others like you asking these questions is to skirt responsibility.

"Oh well it wasn't penned down like a legal doc, therefore it's totally fine that we reneged"

That's a very weaselly way to look at the world particularly at the levels we're talking about. This isn't you telling your brother to go check the details of the will when he's not happy how the estate was settled. You're applying a very narrow and frankly stupid lens.

Fact of the matter they had a problem with eastward expansion 30 years ago, 20 years ago, 10years. They said it over and over and over and that's why these assurances were given 30 years ago. We either lied 30 years ago or subsequent people decided to renege on it, which is history now. But to ignore how all that feeds into the mess we're in now is silly.

This post was edited by ofthevoid on Apr 3 2023 10:48am

*showing balls of steel, man beats women golfers

im smart enough to realize that it wasn't "okay" we reneged, and it also isn't "okay" to use it as a pretense for war either.

but at the core we know, and Russia knows, it was a temporary agreement used to ensure Russia could disband the USSR without chaos. It allowed them to break up into many countries without the US immediately seizing control of those countries while they regrouped. that's what it was, and that's all it ever was.

that's what the entire debate comes down to on the entire war, do the US transgressions which are bad and wrong justify the invasion of Ukraine. and the answer is of course no, because the invasion is worse. escalation of wrongdoing always means anyone who escalates it cannot use the lesser wrongs as justification.

stating your ego b4 your argument/11.

Back to my example about the bar fight. If a drunk pushes the hot head and in response he bounces his skull off the concrete, yeah it's wrong and excessive but you can't predict the outcome in a volatile situaiton.

Russia is all out of cards, war was the last one. Like I said, it's not as if we woke up yesterday, we knew they don't want a military alliance expanding closer are closer to them. They've been crying about it for many years, literally everyone in the world knows they have a problem with it. It doesn't justify them starting a full scale war but when you're all out of ways to respond, you respond the only way you can.

This post was edited by ofthevoid on Apr 3 2023 11:13am