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Nov 12 2020 12:15am
Quote (Thor123422 @ 11 Nov 2020 22:12)
Ballots cast that day don't have to be unpackaged, signature verified, or any number of other things that are unique to a mail-in ballot. It's easy to examine somebody's ID in person before you even give them a ballot which means the count time for same-day ballots is effectively zero. It can happen using a machine as the ballots are returned all throughout the day.

My explanation makes perfect sense if you took two seconds to do research instead of just proclaiming yourself correct and everybody who disagrees unreasonable.


All will be handcounted in Georgia. The recount has been announced. So judging based off your timelines, that should take... Uh... 4 weeks?
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Nov 12 2020 12:17am
Quote (InsaneBobb @ Nov 11 2020 09:51pm)
Interesting. The highest odds I've seen Vegas offering were 1:20 in biden's favor. So based on that I'd say I'd give Biden a 95% chance to win. I gave Hillary a 99.9% chance to win, and she lost. So I'm not ready to propose those odds. Though if you really believe in those odds, I'd be happy to bet 1 fg vs your 999 fg, me on Trump, you on Biden? Don't like wasting FG outside of Ladderslasher, but I can probably manage 1fg for that bet. You'll need to scare up a bit more to cover your end though.

Your "white fragility" bit is funny. Trump lost a fairly sizeable percentage in the white vote, and did BETTER among minority voters than he did in 2016. Odd that you bring identity politics into it.

Nobody is ignoring election results. I'm still waiting on some house and senate seats to be called. But more and more, the media appears to be showing it's extreme bias where anything republican-led is. As an independent, that screams "partisanship" to me. Why did it take them a week to call Alaska's senate and house seat, for instance? Is it because they refused to call it until the State itself released this: https://www.elections.alaska.gov/results/20GENR/data/sovc/ElectionSummaryReportRPT13.pdf by chance? I mean, they called Hawaii as blue with 0 reporting, prior to the polls even being closed.

Again, take a step back, forget your bias for a moment, and simply assess what you've seen. Any state where Biden took a lead as healthy as Trump's lead in Florida was called within an hour. Then you have states like MI, WI, and GA where Trump had an incredibly healthy lead, as did red house seats, and they refused to call anything for days to a week. Why?

I'm not jumping to fraud or misconduct conclusions. I'm merely questioning the media's conduct. When you have reporters saying, "How could trump win? We already called it! It's OUR job to call the elections!" Um... No. So, do I trust the media reporting? Not particularly. Do I think they're wrong? Not necessarily. I simply advise to wait, and stop with this useless nonsense of "Oh, candidate x or y or z should simply concede because here's what the media has said!" That's not how the contest works.


I'd certainly like to take as much fg from you as possible but all my fg is in Biden winning unfortunately. Fg is tied up until some states are certified since I bet on specific states.

The media isn't "showing their bias" by not calling specific races. Rather, it has to do with the insane amount of mail-ballots that are/were outstanding and the heavy skew towards Democrats. If Biden is ahead of Trump on ELECTION DAY, then Biden was obviously going to win. Anyone who is remotely aware of the process knew this.

Yes, it IS the media's job to call elections. Otherwise, we would have to wait several WEEKS until the results are certified. It's been like this for as long as I can remember. Occasionally, they will make the wrong call i.e. Florida in 2000 but they have a pretty good track record. If you don't like it, turn off the TV and wait until certification lol.
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Nov 12 2020 12:21am
Quote (IroningTheMaiden @ 12 Nov 2020 00:11)
Listen Shit lick, dont ever bring up Tucker Carlsen ever again.

Tucker Carlsen was sued because of the bullshit he says on air, and his lawyers defense was literally that Carlsen doesn't speak facts and his statements shouldn't be actioned upon.




https://www.npr.org/2020/09/29/917747123/you-literally-cant-believe-the-facts-tucker-carlson-tells-you-so-say-fox-s-lawye


Right and WaPo, NYT, CNN, MSNBC.. They've been sued probably hundreds of times and with probably thousands of retractions.. One time with Tucker and you're not even gonna look. Get past the bias.. He doesn't give a single opinion in there like I stated it's coming from an investigative perspective.

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Ballots cast that day don't have to be unpackaged, signature verified, or any number of other things that are unique to a mail-in ballot. It's easy to examine somebody's ID in person before you even give them a ballot which means the count time for same-day ballots is effectively zero. It can happen using a machine as the ballots are returned all throughout the day.


Haha.. Eventually all those ballots are supposed to be signature verified before entring the machine. Elections officials are not supposed to count a ballot into the voting system until the ballot has been verfied.


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All will be handcounted in Georgia. The recount has been announced. So judging based off your timelines, that should take... Uh... 4 weeks?


Probably will take some time, but it will not take that long to start seeing the sheer scale of this...
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Nov 12 2020 12:23am
Quote (thundercock @ 11 Nov 2020 22:17)
I'd certainly like to take as much fg from you as possible but all my fg is in Biden winning unfortunately. Fg is tied up until some states are certified since I bet on specific states.

The media isn't "showing their bias" by not calling specific races. Rather, it has to do with the insane amount of mail-ballots that are/were outstanding and the heavy skew towards Democrats. If Biden is ahead of Trump on ELECTION DAY, then Biden was obviously going to win. Anyone who is remotely aware of the process knew this.

Yes, it IS the media's job to call elections. Otherwise, we would have to wait several WEEKS until the results are certified. It's been like this for as long as I can remember. Occasionally, they will make the wrong call i.e. Florida in 2000 but they have a pretty good track record. If you don't like it, turn off the TV and wait until certification lol.


It is NOT the media's job to "call elections". It's the media's job to report on vote tallies as they're released by the states, and provide their projections based on the tallies. The States call their own elections, and their electors vote based on those elections (mostly).

One House candidate was announced to have lost by the media, so he went to go to bed, figuring on preparing his concession speech in the morning. Then he received a call, "Uh... Yeah, we had a tabulation error. Looks like you won." Again, there's a reason for waiting for actual counts.

It's not about turning off the TV. It's about reporting factual information. If you have 50% of districts reporting, they're all red districts, and there's only say 60% of the vote going to Trump, then it's reasonable to project that Biden is going to win. It is not, however, reasonable to "Call it for Biden". The other 50% of districts and every individual in those districts still have a right to have their vote counted.

This need to claim the "projected results" provided by the media means it's their job to "call it" is absurd.
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Nov 12 2020 12:30am

Alright here is an interview with Trey Trainor the Federal Elections Commisioner saying he is seeing election fraud clearly.. Listen to how he lays it all out..

Fair question? Why isn't he being interviewed anywhere else as the Federal Elections Commisioner during a time when you have people disputing the results?


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Nov 12 2020 12:46am
Quote (InsaneBobb @ Nov 12 2020 12:15am)
All will be handcounted in Georgia. The recount has been announced. So judging based off your timelines, that should take... Uh... 4 weeks?


Depends how much man power they have. It's almost certainly going to take at least 2 weeks. I'd imagine they are going to bring in more people to do the recount than they had to count the mail ins.

However, it will still go faster per ballot since just unpackaging the ballots from the envelopes and stacking them and storing them is a task in itself when you're receiving them in the mail.

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Nov 12 2020 12:47am
Quote (InsaneBobb @ Nov 11 2020 10:23pm)
It is NOT the media's job to "call elections". It's the media's job to report on vote tallies as they're released by the states, and provide their projections based on the tallies. The States call their own elections, and their electors vote based on those elections (mostly).

One House candidate was announced to have lost by the media, so he went to go to bed, figuring on preparing his concession speech in the morning. Then he received a call, "Uh... Yeah, we had a tabulation error. Looks like you won." Again, there's a reason for waiting for actual counts.

It's not about turning off the TV. It's about reporting factual information. If you have 50% of districts reporting, they're all red districts, and there's only say 60% of the vote going to Trump, then it's reasonable to project that Biden is going to win. It is not, however, reasonable to "Call it for Biden". The other 50% of districts and every individual in those districts still have a right to have their vote counted.

This need to claim the "projected results" provided by the media means it's their job to "call it" is absurd.


These results are unofficial and each organization has their own methodology for determining if a race is "out of reach" for a candidate. If a candidate concedes but it looks like they may have a chance, they can always withdraw their concession. Concessions have no legal weight at all and it's just a way to be polite. "Calling it" and "projecting a win" are synonymous. Again, these are unofficial results until they are certified by the state.

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Nov 12 2020 12:48am
Quote (Jere @ Nov 12 2020 12:30am)
Alright here is an interview with Trey Trainor the Federal Elections Commisioner saying he is seeing election fraud clearly.. Listen to how he lays it all out..

Fair question? Why isn't he being interviewed anywhere else as the Federal Elections Commisioner during a time when you have people disputing the results?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MoudV29Otbc


Probably because it is completely irrelevant to matters regarding voter fraud.

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The commission's role is limited to the administration of federal campaign finance laws. It enforces limitations and prohibitions on contributions and expenditures, administers the reporting system for campaign finance disclosure, investigates and prosecutes violations (investigations are typically initiated by complaints from other candidates, parties, watchdog groups, and the public), audits a limited number of campaigns and organizations for compliance, and administers the presidential public funding programs for presidential candidates.[
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Nov 12 2020 12:49am
Quote (Jere @ 12 Nov 2020 07:30)
Alright here is an interview with Trey Trainor the Federal Elections Commisioner saying he is seeing election fraud clearly.. Listen to how he lays it all out..

Fair question? Why isn't he being interviewed anywhere else as the Federal Elections Commisioner during a time when you have people disputing the results?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MoudV29Otbc


there's no fraud the guy is trump appointee bitch, nothing else.
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Nov 12 2020 12:54am
Quote (Saucisson6000 @ 12 Nov 2020 00:49)
there's no fraud the guy is trump appointee bitch, nothing else.


Yep, nothing at all worth taking a look at in this election.



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