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May 6 2020 10:50am
Quote (Thor123422 @ May 6 2020 11:42am)
So then the issue seems to be more that there aren't targeted ways to help make up deficiencies, and teachers aren't being trained on how to get through the material in the time allotted, or there just isn't enough time (seems more likely).

Really, we should be having kids in school 6 days a week and shrink summer vacation. Our current system is more or less still built for a time when kids needed summer off to help run the family farms. I agree that setting high standards won't do much unless you also adjust the rest of the system to accommodate. The "adding without taking away" dilemma that causes so many new years resolutions to fail lol.


under common core teachers are basically forced to push through instruction rather than take time to help a student struggling with a concept. when you have 8 hours of work to get through in 6 hours you're stringently bound to completing your daily curriculum. this forces teachers to try and make time outside of the classroom to help students. or pause and go over information again, creating a snowball effect down the line when this happens over and over.

older teachers near retirement have tried to work with a common core curriculum but with their traditional methods, aka ask early and often if anyone needs something explained again, and by years end they're lucky to get through 50% of the common core requirements.

imagine a state like Texas where the state mandates increased state history in social studies classes, plus federal common core requirements u already cant get through. its a mess.

u cant force teachers to work 6 days a week, that's illegally forced overtime. and summers go bye bye equals 6 figure a year salaries for all teachers which wont happen. giving states more freedom is far easier and realistic. but once something goes federal we all know it never comes back.

Quote (Skinned @ May 6 2020 11:48am)
So improve content?

It seems like you don't hate having a national standard of education on theory you just want it executed well enough and be realistic.


depends on how u define standard. legal requirement? no. guideline hopefully to be met? sure.

the only way to improve is to cut cut cut. remove large portions of it. basically gut the fucker.

This post was edited by thesnipa on May 6 2020 10:51am
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under common core teachers are basically forced to push through instruction rather than take time to help a student struggling with a concept. when you have 8 hours of work to get through in 6 hours you're stringently bound to completing your daily curriculum. this forces teachers to try and make time outside of the classroom to help students. or pause and go over information again, creating a snowball effect down the line when this happens over and over.

older teachers near retirement have tried to work with a common core curriculum but with their traditional methods, aka ask early and often if anyone needs something explained again, and by years end they're lucky to get through 50% of the common core requirements.

imagine a state like Texas where the state mandates increased state history in social studies classes, plus federal common core requirements u already cant get through. its a mess.

u cant force teachers to work 6 days a week, that's illegally forced overtime. and summers go bye bye equals 6 figure a year salaries for all teachers which wont happen. giving states more freedom is far easier and realistic. but once something goes federal we all know it never comes back.



depends on how u define standard. legal requirement? no. guideline hopefully to be met? sure.

the only way to improve is to cut cut cut. remove large portions of it. basically gut the fucker.


To get an American diploma you should know X. What is wrong with this statement? Am i missing something?

I know there is trouble with delivery.
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Quote (thesnipa @ May 6 2020 11:50am)
under common core teachers are basically forced to push through instruction rather than take time to help a student struggling with a concept. when you have 8 hours of work to get through in 6 hours you're stringently bound to completing your daily curriculum. this forces teachers to try and make time outside of the classroom to help students. or pause and go over information again, creating a snowball effect down the line when this happens over and over.

older teachers near retirement have tried to work with a common core curriculum but with their traditional methods, aka ask early and often if anyone needs something explained again, and by years end they're lucky to get through 50% of the common core requirements.

imagine a state like Texas where the state mandates increased state history in social studies classes, plus federal common core requirements u already cant get through. its a mess.

u cant force teachers to work 6 days a week, that's illegally forced overtime. and summers go bye bye equals 6 figure a year salaries for all teachers which wont happen. giving states more freedom is far easier and realistic. but once something goes federal we all know it never comes back.


I mean, federal minimums are an absolute modern necessity. The refusal of certain states to teach modern biology proves as much. However, a minimum needs to be a minimum.

As far as increasing funding for things like teacher pay, that's something we should have been doing for a long time. In college the only students I saw going to be high school teachers were the ones who couldn't hack it anywhere else, and this manifested in the education M.S. students actually getting the worst student evaluations and worst student average scores in our graduate teaching courses, ironically.

I don't think it would be illegally forced overtime to put teachers on salary and make them work 6 days a week. I mean, that's the whole point of having salaried employees isn't it? To avoid overtime and tell people up front what hours they are going to be working?
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To get an American diploma you should know X. What is wrong with this statement? Am i missing something?

I know there is trouble with delivery.


when the reality is to meet X it will take 15 years, but we'll give you 12. and 2 years after each benchmark you'll forget each subset of X because of the pace we're forced to move at, yes. thats a problem.

if X = 100, and common core currently delivers 70, and a state run system could yield some stated in the 90s, some in the 80s, some in the 70s. and show the federal govt where the 60s and 50s are. then that is a better system at achieving X, even if X isn't it's explicit goal.

stating something is your goal isn't always the best way to achieve that goal. and when your goal is unachievable setting it as a requirement is asinine.
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when the reality is to meet X it will take 15 years, but we'll give you 12. and 2 years after each benchmark you'll forget each subset of X because of the pace we're forced to move at, yes. thats a problem.

if X = 100, and common core currently delivers 70, and a state run system could yield some stated in the 90s, some in the 80s, some in the 70s. and show the federal govt where the 60s and 50s are. then that is a better system at achieving X, even if X isn't it's explicit goal.

stating something is your goal isn't always the best way to achieve that goal. and when your goal is unachievable setting it as a requirement is asinine.


I'm not convinced that achieving 100 isn't possible, but I will agree that the political will to change the system to achieve 100 isn't there. As much as people will bitch and moan about how bad our high schools are they aren't gonna pony up the time money and effort to fix it.

This post was edited by Thor123422 on May 6 2020 11:00am
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May 6 2020 11:16am
https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/496351-cruz-predicts-tidal-wave-of-lawsuits-against-reopening-small-businesses

Ted Cruz is right, and revealing his Lawful Evil alignment in article.

Covid is going to be the next Mesothelioma. "Have you or your loved ones been disabled or lost their lives due to premature opening of stores or due to being forced to work without protective equipment, call the attorneys of...."

Ted Cruz wishes that workers have no recourse to being sacrificed to the 1% while Trump wishes to recreate The Jungle in our meat packing industry.

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Quote (Black XistenZ @ 6 May 2020 10:21)

yep yep yep

notice how areas with good hygiene and health tend to be relatively less affected than others
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Quote (Skinned @ 6 May 2020 19:16)
https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/496351-cruz-predicts-tidal-wave-of-lawsuits-against-reopening-small-businesses

Ted Cruz is right, and revealing his Lawful Evil alignment in article.

Covid is going to be the next Mesothelioma. "Have you or your loved ones been disabled or lost their lives due to premature opening of stores or due to being forced to work without protective equipment, call the attorneys of...."

Ted Cruz wishes that workers have no recourse to being sacrificed to the 1% while Trump wishes to recreate The Jungle in our meat packing industry.


Small business put a board at the entrance informing about covid-19, advising to use mask etc... Then no lawsuits ?

This post was edited by Saucisson6000 on May 6 2020 03:06pm
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In a country built on capitalism, a "wave of lawsuits" is the price of progress. That's what would prompt us to change our culture and usher in the new normal. Litigation is our cultural language.

This post was edited by Kayeto on May 6 2020 04:03pm
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In a country built on capitalism, a "wave of lawsuits" is the price of progress. That's what would prompt us to change our culture and usher in the new normal. Litigation is our cultural language.


Change like tobacco or abestos?
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