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Right, I'm sure that's why the largest corporations in the world were funneling money to Biden in 2020. Makes sense.


Did you even read that I said it's largely both parties?

Damn you're dumb.
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Jul 16 2021 04:33pm
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Ehh social media is appropriate. Both sides agree, I think people also agree. Corporates lose the privilege of the free market when they’ve become the public square and de facto information keepers.

The cruise thing is more about scoring political points vs actually doing something meaningful.

funny enough the harris/biden admin today says social media companies are “killing people”. this a day or two after saying they’re telling social media companies which content to censor lmfao
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Jul 16 2021 04:39pm
Quote (NetflixAdaptationWidow @ 17 Jul 2021 00:31)
Did you even read that I said it's largely both parties?

Damn you're dumb.


Void was not referring to your specific example about social media regulation (where there's bipartisan initiatives), he was referring to your general claim that boosting corporate power is supposed to be the guiding principle of Republicans. If that was true, corporate America would not have broken as decisively in favor of the Democratic candidates in 2020 as they did.
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Quote (Black XistenZ @ Jul 16 2021 05:39pm)
Void was not referring to your specific example about social media regulation (where there's bipartisan initiatives), he was referring to your general claim that boosting corporate power is supposed to be the guiding principle of Republicans. If that was true, corporate America would not have broken as decisively in favor of the Democratic candidates in 2020 as they did.


That would be true if I didn't also say that's also a guiding force of the Democrat party.

Derp.
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Quote (NetflixAdaptationWidow @ 17 Jul 2021 00:52)
That would be true if I didn't also say that's also a guiding force of the Democrat party.

Derp.


You specifically said that Republicans are even worse corporate stooges than Democrats. That's inconsistent with corporate America's clear preference for Democrats in 2020, and also in previous cycles btw.
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Jul 16 2021 04:58pm
Quote (ofthevoid @ Jul 16 2021 03:29pm)
Right, I'm sure that's why the largest corporations in the world were funneling money to Biden in 2020. Makes sense.


I think Trump is a bit of an anomaly there. Corporations want stability more than anything and Trump was too unpredictable. I think it would be more fair to look at Congress in that regard.

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Right to work is one giant interferrence with the free market. Unions not being able to negitiate whatever terms they want with the business, as long as both sides agree, is a pretty blatant interference.


Agreed. I dislike unions but "right to work" is government interference specifically designed to cripple unions.

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Ehh social media is appropriate. Both sides agree, I think people also agree. Corporates lose the privilege of the free market when they’ve become the public square and de facto information keepers.

The cruise thing is more about scoring political points vs actually doing something meaningful.


I don't think regulating social media is appropriate unless the activity is illegal. Social media is only one avenue of obtaining information because you can visit news aggregators, search, etc. I think a more appropriate place for regulation is with ISPs. ISPs have the power to actually prevent you from visiting certain sites and that would be wrong IMO.

As for cruise regulation, it's obviously political. That doesn't mean it isn't anti free market. Libertarians are the only party who could call themselves the free market party.
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Jul 16 2021 05:05pm
Quote (Black XistenZ @ Jul 16 2021 05:57pm)
You specifically said that Republicans are even worse corporate stooges than Democrats. That's inconsistent with corporate America's clear preference for Democrats in 2020, and also in previous cycles btw.


The only consideration isnt which party is the biggest stooge. They also need the stability that comes with basic competence.
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Social media and labor off the top of my head. DeSantis wants to regulate the cruise industry now to prevent them from requiring vaccines which is obviously silly. We should allow companies to come up with their own procedures for protecting customers in non-essential industries IMO.


Do you suppose that social media is essential or non-essential?
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Jul 16 2021 05:22pm
Quote (thundercock @ 17 Jul 2021 00:58)
I think Trump is a bit of an anomaly there. Corporations want stability more than anything and Trump was too unpredictable. I think it would be more fair to look at Congress in that regard.


That doesnt explain why Democrats like Sara Gideon, Cal Cunningham, Jamie Harrison, or Beto if we go back to 2018, were all outspending their Republican opponents by ridiculous amounts.
If corporate America had a general preference for Republicans, but an issue with Trump specifically, we would have expected them to support Republicans, or at least to split their support equally between the parties, on downballot races. This was not nearly the case.

Total spending on the 2020 elections (all races):
Democrat: $8.4b
Republican: $5.3b

Spending on 2020 House races:
Democrat: $999m
Republican: $894

Spending on 2020 Senate races:
Democrat: $1.2b
Republican: $857m

Source: https://www.opensecrets.org/elections-overview/

This post was edited by Black XistenZ on Jul 16 2021 05:29pm
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Quote (NetflixAdaptationWidow @ 17 Jul 2021 01:05)
The only consideration isnt which party is the biggest stooge. They also need the stability that comes with basic competence.


See my post from a minute ago. Downballot Republicans, many of them long-time incumbents, did not become generically incompetent all of a sudden, yet corporate America backed their opponents.

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