Just another reason I say his school needs to take away his diploma. A person with any science degree saying half the shit he says is embarrassing.

endless do be dumb and stuff but like common core is a fucking disaster.

Ben Shapiro was touting a report out of China about this. Comes off as complete nonsense to me.

All I've seen from common core criticism boils down to "they aren't teaching math as memorizing how to do calculations! THE WORLD IS ENDING!"

The idea that we need national minimum standards is sound, what about common core is bad?

Looked at a few charts.. US overall education level vs rest of the world is somewhere between the 35-40th ranking.
Countries like Latvia and Iceland to name just a couple score higher than we do. Whatever you name it, you could name it "Sucks"

common core has the same issue that standardized testing has, which is that it removes flexibility in teaching.

my wife reports that most teachers are only able to cover about 75% of the material common core requires with their classes. meaning 25% of the "minimum standard" isnt met right off the bat. this can be due to a large number of factors, a certain class struggling with concepts that require more teaching, state mandated requirements for their standards to also be taught, difficulties with inclusion as a special ed model slowing down instruction, etc.

so the system is firstly not feasible. you cant cover common core. so to call it a minimum standard is like saying you need to get 110% on a test to pass. then you get into the inability to enforce it, the dept of ed doesnt even try.

then there's the drastically different issues that regions have in education. vastly lower math scores in alabama, a large number of incorrect English mannerisms in the UP of Michigan, drastically increased obesity in Georgia, etc (compared to other states under the same "common core"). so when u have a system where the english, math, science, and phys ed teachers all fail to meet common core already u have no give and take to target these deficiencies directly.

its a subtle but important difference to have states mandating curriculum with federal oversight, compared to federally mandated curriculum with states overseeing and enforcing (lol, complete lack of enforcing is more like it). the federal govt should be concerned with math scores in alabama, type 2 diabetes in georgia, and english in the UP, specifically. rather than simply setting a standard no one meets and those states especially dont meet.

i have no problem with federal benchmarks, guidelines, or even oversight. i have an issue with federal requirements that are both impossible and not tailored to the needs of regions. and no i dont want to go back to just letting alabama be alabama's problem.

Common core is garbage. Math the way it was, they way it's taught globally was fine the way it was. Most kids aren't just memorizing but are building the mental channels to solve which leads to understanding.

This notion of lowering standards so no child is left behind is also garbage. It's a common leftist 'mediocrity good' ideology that's leaving us in the dust when it comes to world academic standards. No wonder why graduate schools in STEM are overwhelmingly flooded with Indians and Chinese students, when our answer is to come up with 3deep5u ways of solving very simple problems.

This post was edited by ofthevoid on May 6 2020 10:13am

So then the issue seems to be more that there aren't targeted ways to help make up deficiencies, and teachers aren't being trained on how to get through the material in the time allotted, or there just isn't enough time (seems more likely).

Really, we should be having kids in school 6 days a week and shrink summer vacation. Our current system is more or less still built for a time when kids needed summer off to help run the family farms. I agree that setting high standards won't do much unless you also adjust the rest of the system to accommodate. The "adding without taking away" dilemma that causes so many new years resolutions to fail lol.




We already know you have issues with things like abstraction and logic so this kind of response is expected.

The standards of the countries you are saying have great systems would absolutely annihilate common core. Still, it's more of a culture thing. They value education and force their kids to learn the material and work them 60 hours a week. We still rely on methods that have been proven for decades not to improve skill acquisition.

This post was edited by Thor123422 on May 6 2020 10:43am

So improve content?

It seems like you don't hate having a national standard of education on theory you just want it executed well enough and be realistic.




The way its taught globally? Do you realize the differences between how math is taught? In the US they try to make the dumbest of kids understand it while in Russia for example they throw formulas at people and see who gets in and they learn more advanced math.

I believe you are talking about the Prussian Industrial Education system most of the US adopted for a very long time.

This post was edited by Skinned on May 6 2020 10:51am