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Sep 9 2021 09:06am
Quote (SBD @ Sep 9 2021 08:04am)
And vaccine passports will just be following government rule. It's not the business you should have issues with its the government if you're against it. The business is just trying to protect themselves from potential future liabilities.


I am very against governments mandating vaccination.
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Sep 9 2021 09:06am
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Then having a right is meaningless because the government can do literally anything and you would still saying that you have it


This is the literal argument for the 2nd Amendment. To protect from tyranny both foreign and domestic. If the government starts trampling your rights, you do have the right to fight back.

All you're arguing is that the strong determine the rights of the weak, while you also openly advocate for removing the weapons of the citizenry, to make them weak, while keeping the government well-armed and strong.

Always funny when you assume everyone is blind to the power dynamics you advocate.
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#463
Sep 9 2021 09:07am
Quote (JessiWan @ Sep 9 2021 10:04am)
Except we are not arguing about whether I am dead or not. We are arguing about whether rights can be taken away by a government. I said no.



I don't disagree with this.



*Shrug* You can keep saying that I fail to grasp reality or whatever. I don't care.


semantics apply to arguments, not whether or not you're alive, unless you're arguing whether or not you're alive.

a semantic argument for an unrecoverable braindead coma patient could be made, but the differences between that and death are fewer than that and a normal life.

i think u grasp reality, and reject it. that's hubris. you wont change anything with your disagreement except likely make your own life worse.
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#464
Sep 9 2021 09:09am
Quote (JessiWan @ Sep 9 2021 10:05am)
I never said decisions don't have consequences. I am just saying that businesses should not discriminate based on vaccination status.

If you want businesses to be able to do that, you will need to convince us why. So far you haven't done that.


Wrong. Businesses can already do that. Its up to you to convince us why they shouldn't. Remember, we live in a system where its legal unless proven otherwise.
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Sep 9 2021 09:11am
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Wrong. Businesses can already do that. Its up to you to convince us why they shouldn't.

They shouldn't do that because a patron's vaccination status is none of a business' business.
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#466
Sep 9 2021 09:13am
Quote (JessiWan @ Sep 9 2021 10:11am)
They shouldn't do that because a patron's vaccination status is none of a business' business.


If you think its none if their business go elsewhere. Problem solved. You are not owed accomodation.
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Sep 9 2021 09:15am
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If you think its none if their business go elsewhere. Problem solved. You are not owed accomodation.


I believe there are public accommodation laws.

And no, I shouldn't just "go elsewhere" like a pouty child. If a business is intruding into people's lives like that, I want the laws involved.
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Sep 9 2021 09:17am
Quote (JessiWan @ Sep 9 2021 10:15am)
I believe there are public accommodation laws.

And no, I shouldn't just "go elsewhere" like a pouty child. If a business is intruding into people's lives like that, I want the laws involved.


The business isn't intruding into anything. You don't have to go there. Nobody is holding up a gun and saying you have to go to that business
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Sep 9 2021 09:18am
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If you think its none if their business go elsewhere. Problem solved. You are not owed accomodation.


It's a bit disingenuous what you're attempting to argue here. If a business takes it upon themselves, completely willingly, to require proof of vaccination, that's fine. Their customers can go elsewhere. It's kind of odd that you are advocating a need to present your papers to buy a donut when you openly claim providing ID to vote is racist, but hey, no judgement here.

Where it gets a tad dicey is when the government is pressuring businesses to require proof of vaccination or not service customers. I mean, if the local grocery store has to get your proof of vaccination or have their business license yanked, and you say, "Fuck off" and go do your shopping via Amazon Pantry, then the small business goes out of business due entirely to government interference. Meanwhile, self-aggrandizing keyboard warriors sit there and talk about "capitalism at work" while ignoring the government interference. :)
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Sep 9 2021 09:19am
Quote (JessiWan @ Sep 9 2021 10:15am)
I believe there are public accommodation laws.

And no, I shouldn't just "go elsewhere" like a pouty child. If a business is intruding into people's lives like that, I want the laws involved.


and how dare they tell you to wear a shirt, not smoke in their restaurant, not bring Taco Bell into a steak house, not poop in their hallway, not have spaghetti at a mexican restaurant, and not accept forever stamps as a form of payment.

businesses can decline you for any reason that isnt protected, (sex, race, sexual orientation, nationality). that's called the free market, feel free to boycott publicly any place that you dont agree with and see if it gets enough traction to change it.

or write a letter to your senator that he'll wipe with.

Quote (InsaneBobb @ Sep 9 2021 10:18am)
It's a bit disingenuous what you're attempting to argue here. If a business takes it upon themselves, completely willingly, to require proof of vaccination, that's fine. Their customers can go elsewhere. It's kind of odd that you are advocating a need to present your papers to buy a donut when you openly claim providing ID to vote is racist, but hey, no judgement here.

Where it gets a tad dicey is when the government is pressuring businesses to require proof of vaccination or not service customers. I mean, if the local grocery store has to get your proof of vaccination or have their business license yanked, and you say, "Fuck off" and go do your shopping via Amazon Pantry, then the small business goes out of business due entirely to government interference. Meanwhile, self-aggrandizing keyboard warriors sit there and talk about "capitalism at work" while ignoring the government interference. :)


the govt requires all people 35 and under to be carded, then sends in cops to make sure cashiers comply, then takes liquor licenses away from those that fail. there's not functional difference.

This post was edited by thesnipa on Sep 9 2021 09:21am
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