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Apr 14 2020 01:32pm
Quote (Thor123422 @ 14 Apr 2020 21:18)
Trump got graded on a huge curve and Hillary got graded in the opposite direction for being a woman. Sure you can point to some things that she was attacked for "because she's Hillary" but she also got attacked for certain things for being a woman. Even my wife said she didn't want to vote for "someone that bitchy".


Perhaps Hillary is just a fundamentally unlikable person, irrespective of her gender?


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I also personally heard plenty of people say they couldn't vote for someone who stayed with their man after what he did, and in an election where 70,000 votes in like 4 states was the margin that's a big deal.

Sure you can say "they were ready to elect a woman just not Hillary", but any woman gets attacked for shit that men don't get attacked for (look at all the ugly face memes of Michelle Obama and AOC, you just don't see those of males).


Staying with a man who had betrayed and humiliated her on the national stage was seen as weakness, as beta behavior. A male candidate who had been publicly cheated on and humiliated by his wife and stuck with her, he would be considered just as much of a loser and beta.

When it comes to ugly face memes - it's deeply ingrained in human nature that women are judged by their looks to a larger degree than men - just like men are rated more strongly based on their success or leadership qualities than on their looks.
Not sure if I would consider this pattern to be sexism. But yes, in high profile political races, this is probably a structural disadvantage for female candidates.
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Apr 14 2020 01:44pm
Quote (Black XistenZ @ Apr 14 2020 02:32pm)
Perhaps Hillary is just a fundamentally unlikable person, irrespective of her gender?




Staying with a man who had betrayed and humiliated her on the national stage was seen as weakness, as beta behavior. A male candidate who had been publicly cheated on and humiliated by his wife and stuck with her, he would be considered just as much of a loser and beta.

When it comes to ugly face memes - it's deeply ingrained in human nature that women are judged by their looks to a larger degree than men - just like men are rated more strongly based on their success or leadership qualities than on their looks.
Not sure if I would consider this pattern to be sexism. But yes, in high profile political races, this is probably a structural disadvantage for female candidates.


Something being "the default" doesn't mean it isn't the appropriate -ism. I reject that it's the default though, but that's irrelevant to the rest of the discussion.
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Apr 14 2020 03:18pm
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Something being "the default" doesn't mean it isn't the appropriate -ism. I reject that it's the default though, but that's irrelevant to the rest of the discussion.


Are you saying that basic human psychology is sexist (in this particular regard)?
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Apr 14 2020 03:30pm
Quote (Black XistenZ @ Apr 14 2020 04:18pm)
Are you saying that basic human psychology is sexist (in this particular regard)?


I don't see this as "basic human psychology" because there's a lot of societal influence to this kind of thing. What is and isn't womanly, or what things look womanly, or how women are supposed to act, etc. is determined by culture, not some innate psychology we are born with.

However, psychology is a result of our biology, and our biology results in different sexes so....... yeah.
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Apr 14 2020 03:34pm
Quote (Thor123422 @ 14 Apr 2020 23:30)
I don't see this as "basic human psychology" because there's a lot of societal influence to this kind of thing. What is and isn't womanly, or what things look womanly, or how women are supposed to act, etc. is determined by culture, not some innate psychology we are born with.


Men placing a higher importance on the looks of women while women rank men more according to their social status is a well-documented inclination. This tendency is something that we can observe in every modern and almost all pre-modern societies, across virtually every culture and region, irrespective from the specific beauty ideals.

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However, psychology is a result of our biology, and our biology results in different sexes so....... yeah.


Okay :)
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In a two person competition why one should win over the other always has to be a comparison. Absolute qualifications don't really mean anything since there's not a continuous spectrum of options.
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Apr 15 2020 06:55am
https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/15/politics/elizabeth-warren-endorses-biden/index.html

Something tells me that Democrats are going to be unified this time around. :thumbsup:
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Quote (IceMage @ Apr 15 2020 07:55am)
https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/15/politics/elizabeth-warren-endorses-biden/index.html

Something tells me that Democrats are going to be unified this time around. :thumbsup:


ive been saying all along push comes to shove even the most fervent bernie bros will vote for biden. i mean, like 75% of his "supporters" already didnt vote, but the 25% that do vote will vote biden.
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ive been saying all along push comes to shove even the most fervent bernie bros will vote for biden. i mean, like 75% of his "supporters" already didnt vote, but the 25% that do vote will vote biden.


I will vote Biden in general election. If Ohio has a primary i probably won't wven go at this point.

We should just have it online and by mail. This is stupid.
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