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Sep 17 2018 11:26am
Quote (Black XistenZ @ Sep 17 2018 11:45am)
no. when the only thing we have is the word of the accuser, even after a thorough investigation into her allegations, then this should never ever be enough to derail something as important as a supreme court nomination, period.

This. It’s nothing more than a pathetic, politically motivated, desperate, last second Hail Mary, in an attempt to stall this nomination
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Sep 17 2018 11:31am
Quote (Black XistenZ @ Sep 17 2018 10:45am)
no. when the only thing we have is the word of the accuser, even after a thorough investigation into her allegations, then this should never ever be enough to derail something as important as a supreme court nomination, period.


this is a rather pathetic attempt to stall, but in a legal system where reading cook books has been used to stall decisions we can't expect much more. I simply wish there was more clap back from the far left media, instead of silence at this mockery of advocating for victims.

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this is a rather pathetic attempt to stall, but in a legal system where reading cook books has been used to stall decisions we can't expect much more. I simply wish there was more clap back from the far left media, instead of silence at this mockery of advocating for victims.


Sexual assault and racism allegations are two things the MSM simply refuse to be nuanced about.
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Sep 17 2018 11:41am
Quote (IceMage @ Sep 17 2018 11:37am)
Sexual assault and racism allegations are two things the MSM simply refuse to be nuanced about.


yeah, i think in reality there's a VERY slow downward progression from "all crimes deserve the same kangaroo court imposed punishment" to "let's decide what we can give them back in terms of a career". and the DNC knew that it wouldnt happen nearly fast enough to fit inside of the confirmation hearings. if Kav vote fails most will agree after the fact that it was mostly hype, just as people recognize the Wiener laptop killed HRC at the voting booth but was not a real story.
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Sep 17 2018 01:02pm
Quote (Goomshill @ 16 Sep 2018 16:25)
>liberal social professor at palo alto
>has no evidence of her story whatsoever
>claims to never have told anyone about a 1982 incident until 2012
>recalls almost no details about the night, doesn't know whos house it was, how she got there, who organized it
>said she was drinking at the time

oh boy this is going places
You know even if everything she said was true, and she somehow had evidence and got him convicted of whatever crime that's supposed to be at the time in 1982 (that's a whole lot of hypothetical reach right there), it would still go on his juvenile sealed record or get expunged


Is the bolded true? It's short of being proof of sexual assault (rape kit, footage, police report, etc), but the timeline in which she presented the evidence lends it more credibility. She contacted the Washington Post and and a congresswoman before Kavanaugh was even nominated while he was on the shortlist. There's also some level of corroboration from 2012 and 2013 from her therapist.

It's obviously not full-proof evidence, but I wouldn't classify it as 'no evidence whatever'.

Quote (thundercock @ 17 Sep 2018 00:15)
Both parties need to get their act together when it comes to SCOTUS nominees. All nominees, excluding Thomas, should have been confirmed unanimously.

O'Connor (Reagan): 99-0
Scalia (Reagan): 98-0
Bork (Reagan): 42-48 (rejection)
Kennedy (Reagan): 97-0
Thomas (Bush): 52-48 (no filibuster was used)
Souter (Bush): 90-9
Ginsberg (Clinton): 98-0
Breyer (Clinton): 87-9
Roberts (Bush): 78-22
Alito (Bush): 58-42 (John Kerry filibustered, cloture vote was 72-25)
Sotomayor (Obama): 68-31 (9 Republicans voted for her)
Kagan (Obama): 63-37 (5 Republicans voted for, 1 Democrat voted against)
Garland (Obama): No hearing
Gorsuch (Trump): 54-45 (filibuster threatened so nuclear option was used)
Kavanaugh (Trump): Currently a partisan disaster right now

While the Republicans did the unthinkable with Garland, the Democrats have been playing politics with nominees for several decades. Scalia and Ginsberg (who represent the furthest right and left wing judges respectively when you exclude Thomas) were both unanimously confirmed so there's really no reason why all the others (including Garland) shouldn't have been unanimous.


Agreed. That's why the filibuster for SCOTUS nominees was important. It forced compromise and cordiality.

Similar politics are now occurring with appointees like the FBI Director and cabinet members. Betsy Devos obviously deserved what she got, but most of Trump's cabinet picks were qualified and deserved more Democratic votes. I'm not certain a President could completely fill out his or her cabinet if the opposite party controlled the Senate anymore.

Quote (IceMage @ 17 Sep 2018 08:13)
Good people can do bad things. I don't know why people can't understand that.


Quote (IceMage @ 17 Sep 2018 12:37)
Sexual assault and racism allegations are two things the MSM simply refuse to be nuanced about.


Word.
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Quote (ThatAlex @ 17 Sep 2018 21:02)
Is the bolded true? It's short of being proof of sexual assault (rape kit, footage, police report, etc), but the timeline in which she presented the evidence lends it more credibility. She contacted the Washington Post and and a congresswoman before Kavanaugh was even nominated while he was on the shortlist. There's also some level of corroboration from 2012 and 2013 from her therapist.

It's obviously not full-proof evidence, but I wouldn't classify it as 'no evidence whatever'.



Agreed. That's why the filibuster for SCOTUS nominees was important. It forced compromise and cordiality.

Similar politics are now occurring with appointees like the FBI Director and cabinet members. Betsy Devos obviously deserved what she got, but most of Trump's cabinet picks were qualified and deserved more Democratic votes. I'm not certain a President could completely fill out his or her cabinet if the opposite party controlled the Senate anymore.





Word.


lets not forget that it was the democrats who went nuclear first and got rid of the filibuster on executive positions and all judicial positions below the SCOTUS in 2013. from there, it was only a very short and easy-to-take step for the GOP to abolish the filibuster for supreme court nominees as well in 2017.

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Sep 17 2018 01:08pm
Politics aside, why are republicans so bad at optics? In the time of our lord #metoo, why even nominate this man over the others on the shortlist? The fact thst the republicans had a letter attesting to his morals means they knew from the get go. Don't tell me the other picks had bigger skeletons than him? Did Trump love his no impeachment opinion so much that he was the only choice?

There's a reason why so many people say that Republicans are bad at governing and they prove it so very often.
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Quote (Helloween7 @ 17 Sep 2018 21:08)
Politics aside, why are republicans so bad at optics? In the time of our lord #metoo, why even nominate this man over the others on the shortlist? The fact thst the republicans had a letter attesting to his morals means they knew from the get go. Don't tell me the other picks had bigger skeletons than him? Did Trump love his no impeachment opinion so much that he was the only choice?

There's a reason why so many people say that Republicans are bad at governing and they prove it so very often.


the letter was signed after the accusations came out, not beforehand. why do you, and others, keep insisting that they had a "preemptive letter" in the drawer?
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Sep 17 2018 01:13pm
Quote (Black XistenZ @ Sep 17 2018 03:10pm)
the letter was signed after the accusations came out, not beforehand. why do you, and others, keep insisting that they had a "preemptive letter" in the drawer?



Truly? I hadn't paid full attention last week.
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Sep 17 2018 01:15pm
Quote (Black XistenZ @ Sep 17 2018 12:10pm)
the letter was signed after the accusations came out, not beforehand. why do you, and others, keep insisting that they had a "preemptive letter" in the drawer?


why do you pretend like a letter put together with women all the way back from highschool so quickly after the accusation came out wasn't probably put together before not after?

let's not forget Mitch didn't want this guy for the lame reason of "lots of papers" to go through

looking more like another reason Mitch and others from the party weren't into Kav

and Kav was also very close with a shitbag judge that got nailed for metoo stuff
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