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May 1 2021 01:09pm
Quote (SlamFkingDunk @ May 1 2021 01:58pm)
you don't seem to grasp my question

the question was are you able to say anything negative about biden

so your answer is the very obvious border control.. ok fair enough

do you think he is a strong leader? I feel like other world leaders are laughing at his face lol


What are you basing that on? We knew they were laughing at Trump because they just didn't hide it. Trump was openly mocked by everybody who wasn't actively manipulating him. What specific responses to Biden are you referencing?

Biden is still a neo-liberal corporatist who will generally protect business over the individual. That's my strongest critique of him.

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Quote (SlamFkingDunk @ May 1 2021 02:58pm)
you don't seem to grasp my question

the question was are you able to say anything negative about biden

so your answer is the very obvious border control.. ok fair enough

do you think he is a strong leader? I feel like other world leaders are laughing at his face lol


World leaders have their own self interest.

Biden has his own self political interest.

And this country has varied interests by political party.

I don't think the world's opinion matters, but our two greatest enemies China and Russia are laughing non stop at Biden's shit philosophy and choices.

The only president who was able to build a global coalition against tyranny in the past generations was Reagan.
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May 1 2021 02:04pm
https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/john-kerrys-actions-are-a-scandal-whether-the-media-covers-them-or-not/

John Kerry directly undermined the US administrations position on Iran, covertly met with high ranking Iranian officials, and divulged information on Israeli strikes.

The fact that Kerry hasn't already been dismissed from the administration is a disgrace.

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https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/john-kerrys-actions-are-a-scandal-whether-the-media-covers-them-or-not/

John Kerry directly undermined the US administrations position on Iran, covertly met with high ranking Iranian officials, and divulged information on Israeli strikes.

The fact that Kerry hasn't already been dismissed from the administration is a disgrace.

the harris/biden administration supports the ketchup social climber here, why would there be a dismissal
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https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/john-kerrys-actions-are-a-scandal-whether-the-media-covers-them-or-not/

John Kerry directly undermined the US administrations position on Iran, covertly met with high ranking Iranian officials, and divulged information on Israeli strikes.

The fact that Kerry hasn't already been dismissed from the administration is a disgrace.


Doesn't the article acknowledge that he could've given this information after the events happened? I don't think that would be a violation of the Logan Act, but even if it was, right-wingers can't pretend the act matters for John Kerry but not for Michael Flynn.
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May 1 2021 02:46pm
Gotta say I called it. Took a few months but Cam hasn't posted this much in years and its all Biden obsessed.
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Doesn't the article acknowledge that he could've given this information after the events happened? I don't think that would be a violation of the Logan Act, but even if it was, right-wingers can't pretend the act matters for John Kerry but not for Michael Flynn.


If you believed that it was egregious for Michael Flynn, as a member of an incoming administration, to ask his soon to be counterpart not to overreact to sanctions, then undermining the government's foreign policy as a private citizen is obviously beyond the pale. It's orders of magnitude more serious.

You have your whataboutism the wrong way around. Anyone who argued that Michael Flynn's actions were unforgiveable, which includes every never-Trumper and the entirety of the Democratic party, must now denounce John Kerry and demand that Biden immediately eject him from the administration. To do anything less would be to admit that the attacks against Flynn weren't genuine at all, and that the outrage was little more than a partisan sham.
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May 1 2021 03:05pm
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If you believed that it was egregious for Michael Flynn, as a member of an incoming administration, to ask his soon to be counterpart not to overreact to sanctions, then undermining the government's foreign policy as a private citizen is obviously beyond the pale. It's orders of magnitude more serious.

You have your whataboutism the wrong way around. Anyone who argued that Michael Flynn's actions were unforgiveable, which includes every never-Trumper and the entirety of the Democratic party, must now denounce John Kerry and demand that Biden immediately eject him from the administration. To do anything less would be to admit that the attacks against Flynn weren't genuine at all,and that the outrage was little more than a partisan sham.


countless evidence of this already.. its pathetic


OMG KIDS IN CAGES

*even more kids in 'cages' under biden*

??

no outrage no AOC visiting the border crying

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If you believed that it was egregious for Michael Flynn, as a member of an incoming administration, to ask his soon to be counterpart not to overreact to sanctions, then undermining the government's foreign policy as a private citizen is obviously beyond the pale. It's orders of magnitude more serious.

You have your whataboutism the wrong way around. Anyone who argued that Michael Flynn's actions were unforgiveable, which includes every never-Trumper and the entirety of the Democratic party, must now denounce John Kerry and demand that Biden immediately eject him from the administration. To do anything less would be to admit that the attacks against Flynn weren't genuine at all, and that the outrage was little more than a partisan sham.


The cultists stopped listening to reason when their corporate supreme overlords told them orange man bad.
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May 1 2021 03:28pm
Quote (bogie160 @ May 1 2021 05:02pm)
If you believed that it was egregious for Michael Flynn, as a member of an incoming administration, to ask his soon to be counterpart not to overreact to sanctions, then undermining the government's foreign policy as a private citizen is obviously beyond the pale. It's orders of magnitude more serious.

You have your whataboutism the wrong way around. Anyone who argued that Michael Flynn's actions were unforgiveable, which includes every never-Trumper and the entirety of the Democratic party, must now denounce John Kerry and demand that Biden immediately eject him from the administration. To do anything less would be to admit that the attacks against Flynn weren't genuine at all, and that the outrage was little more than a partisan sham.


First, it's unclear from the article what went on. If Kerry met with Zarif and brought up public information, we would both agree there's no wrongdoing, right? If he met with him after he left office and shared classified information, that would obviously be problematic.

Mike Flynn was a transition official who undermined positions of the current US government. I don't view that as the same as Kerry meeting with Zarif to encourage maintaining the Iran deal. Sharing classified information is another matter entirely though.

The whataboutism works both ways. If Trumpists were cool with Flynn doing what he did because the Logan Act was an out of date statute that would never be prosecuted, they can't argue against what Kerry did. I view the statute as broad, and what Flynn did is far more offensive to me than what Kerry did(assuming he didn't share classified information).
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