I agree with Glot and I will go further and say that President of the United States Donald Trump is going to curb check Joe Biden American History X style in an electoral landslide. Biden is currently up 12 points or so but that is going to change and we will be at the edge of our seats until that election is over.

Trump hasn't done anything that has made him a really bad president and crises only make his base more entrenched and motivated.

I know you think how he handled Covid will hurt him, but he mostly stepped back and let governors manage their own states which is very American. Also the acute phase of the epidemic seems over and we've done well in most states, all things considered, with all of our old and fat boomers lol.

This post was edited by Skinned on Jun 17 2020 09:56pm

His base might become ever more entrenched, but it isnt growning; and it isnt big enough to win him the election on its own. And the current crises of course do hurt him with the middle of the electorate.


They way I see it, Trump is at a low point right now, and will rebound, leading to a close election in the end. What I absolutely dont see, however, is Trump conjuring some sort of "silent majority" that propels him to a landslide victory. If I had to put money on it, I would say the chances for Trump to win reelection are about 30% at the moment, but the chances for him to win over 50% of the popular vote are something like 2%.

When I look at that pic... the operative word I see is, "silent".

And why wouldnt this show up in any of the anonymous polls, not even those conducted by Fox News or Republican partisans?

Also keep in mind that there was already talk about this huge amount of silent or shy Trump voters in 2016, and then their number was very minor. Trump won in 2016 because his vocal supporters had great turnout, and because his coalition was very efficiently distributed in the EC - not because of a huge surge in silent Trump voters that no one had seen coming.

So I'm not trying to quantify.. debate all of this but.. are trump supporters really saying "nothing to see here"
see list.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Trump_administration_controversies

Using a liberal ran site that hates him to list a buncha of wishy washy accusations against him by people who hate him.

If you want to talk about controversy how about all the politicians who have done nothing but try and pin some bullshit on him for the last 4 years? What about that ridiculous impeachment? The left has set a horrible precedence. Now the right will do the same to the next liberal president....well maybe not to this extent since it is a little comical at this point....

LOL winner!!

Agree. The state by state polls that he needs to win are mostly close. Still, he's trailing in almost all of them. If he's on an upswing by election day, he'll win, but even in a best case scenario the popular vote is going to be incredibly close.

which shows how easily swayed the part of our nation that makes up the uninformed electorate is. we are in a situation where a pandemic hits and we are witnessing a legitimate demand for police reform and a reckoning on race relations in the same timeframe, and yet so many Americans (per polling) are wanting to vote for a swamp-demon candidate who emptied our PPE supply during his tenure as VP, started the policy of locking kids in cages, doesn't office he's running for in 2020, and was the self-described 'author' of the crime bill in 1994 that has created so much racial tension, permanently separated families, and police misconduct in our country

This post was edited by excellence on Jun 18 2020 07:47am

Justice Thomas has the right of the DACA decision in his dissent, even if the majority had the better outcome.
The Supreme Court is plainly playing politics and doesn't want to be responsible for ending DACA after having the buck passed to them and punted it right back to the president even though the legal theory is bogus.
By asserting themselves as arbiters of what is arbitrary and capricious in an executive order they are replacing the executive's exclusive decision making power with their own.
Its a dangerous precedent and they know it, they can themselves arbitrarily and capriciously strike down any decision by labeling it such.
At the same time, they sure as fuck did not want to end DACA nor take responsibility for ending DACA during an election year.
Even by the low standards of SCOTUS passing the buck- usually be declining cert without comment or finding some procedural quibble to latch onto- this is a weak punt.
So once again, ball is in the court of congress and the president. Either could end DACA any time they wanted to. Since there's no support in congress, its up to Trump to prevaricate and come up with excuses for why he's not doing what he said he'll do.
Most likely outcome he'll just set it up for another bargaining chip after the election, assuming he wins.

but we can't just dismiss the dangers posed by this kind of ruling. As Thomas says, "This ruling is incorrect and it will hamstring all future agency attempts to undo actions that exceed statutory authority."
if one president can arbitrarily and capriciously enact an executive order with no judicial oversight, but another cannot rescind it without judicial stamp of approval, its a fundamental imbalance of powers

This post was edited by Goomshill on Jun 18 2020 08:58am