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I am not emotionally involved. Also the list you have presented has books banned by both sides of the spectrum.
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Or we could just stop dicking with the past and come to the understanding that it was a different time.


Outdated language can act as a barrier to the literature. Nobody is saying we should stick to the original translations of Homer.

This kind of response is pretty silly and actively ignores the practical considerations of teaching literature.
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I am not emotionally involved. Also the list you have presented has books banned by both sides of the spectrum.


How is that possible if only leftists want to ban books?
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Outdated language can act as a barrier to the literature. Nobody is saying we should stick to the original translations of Homer.

This kind of response is pretty silly and actively ignores the practical considerations of teaching literature.


We don't stick to the original prose of Homer because it's an outdated format that's not readily understood. Terrible example for what I suggested. Talk about silly and ignorant.

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Quote (NetflixAdaptationWidow @ Jun 29 2021 07:13pm)
How is that possible if only leftists want to ban books?


any lgbt propaganda needs to cease against children. that is correct.

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this is the biggest hypocrisy of the left. we love lgbt people and we also import millions of muslims who are like die hard fans of the lgbt.
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I am not emotionally involved. Also the list you have presented has books banned by both sides of the spectrum.


Yes, it does. So the idea that that people who push to have books banned are 'leftists' is ludicrous on its face.

In recent years, the majority of challenges (at least, as far as the books listed on that site are concerned) have come from the right, against books with what are generally considered to be left-leaning themes (anti-racism, LGBTQIA+ themes, anti-police themes, etc).
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Outdated language can act as a barrier to the literature. Nobody is saying we should stick to the original translations of Homer.

This kind of response is pretty silly and actively ignores the practical considerations of teaching literature.


Of course they do. Why else do you think we teach Ancient Greek at universities? Translating Homer into English is a tricky process, one which the scholars doing the translation argue about all the time. Small changes can have a butterfly effect on the overall meaning of the work.

Imagine trying to teach Huckleberry Finn without allowing for the dehumanizing language that makes it such a powerful anti-racist text. It completely misses the mark.

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Yes, it does. So the idea that that people who push to have books banned are 'leftists' is ludicrous on its face.

In recent years, the majority of challenges (at least, as far as the books listed on that site are concerned) have come from the right, against books with what are generally considered to be left-leaning themes (anti-racism, LGBTQIA+ themes, anti-police themes, etc).


We are talking about degrees. Stopping a book from being published is far more terrible than lobbying to take it out of a library. That said, the correct response is to deplore censorship, not finger-point as an excuse to censor the other side.

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Quote (Surfpunk @ Jun 29 2021 07:21pm)
Yes, it does. So the idea that that people who push to have books banned are 'leftists' is ludicrous on its face.

In recent years, the majority of challenges (at least, as far as the books listed on that site are concerned) have come from the right, against books with what are generally considered to be left-leaning themes (anti-racism, LGBTQIA+ themes, anti-police themes, etc).


I remember an antifa abortion making the logic that it's worth having Main Kampf in stores because it has historical value, but we can't have Andy Ngo's books because he's a nazi.

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Of course they do. Why else do you think we teach Ancient Greek at universities? Translating Homer into English is a tricky process, one which the scholars doing the translation argue about all the time. Small changes can have a butterfly effect on the overall meaning of the work.

Imagine trying to teach Huckleberry Finn without allowing for the dehumanizing language that makes it such a powerful anti-racist text. It completely misses the mark.


We aren't talking about universities, and I never said every book can be cleaned up without losing it's value dumb dumb.

If you're a graduate student, yeah, probably need to learn greek and read the works in their original text. If you're in high school, there's no need to do that, and there's no need to avoid using an abridged copy that would be more accessible to your students if the abridged copy isn't losing some important aspect of the narrative.

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