States have not called it. Ballots haven't been canvassed, or certified and they are finding tons of irregularities.. Why would they? Media has shown you states they called lol..

I would wager that Trump never once admits defeat, either by concession speeches or by any form of public admission of defeat. I would also wager that he continues to live in an alternate reality wherein he deserved a second term and was cheated out of it

Al Gore came down to one state with a few thousand votes. This is three states at minimum with tens of thousands of votes.

Context matters to the precedent.



When you have no way of winning short of a coup you should concede.

This isn't a game is starcraft where you float your cc to the corner. It's the foundation of the country to allow a peaceful and smooth transition

Ironically these people do view it as a games and they are the type of SC player to do that because they think forfeiting is for pussies.

i agree entirely. and there will be people who literally cry about it for 4 years. good, that will be hilarious.

people being alarmist about trump not turning over power are silly in my opinion. yes he would hold power forever if he could, but he cant, so his behavior is funny to me.



cop out. big time. if fraud is real, and of course it isnt, it would of course be pervasive across many states and likely done well enough that it swayed the vote beyond a recount requirement to stick better.

i dont have a problem saying the fraud allegations are largely bunk, but can we stop pretending if it was done that it would be some minor tiny thing. it would be across all battleground states simulatenously and with 50% of the population not voting it would be all too easy to flood tens of thousands of votes in if that was a viable plan.

it isnt, i get that. but the calls for concede now are a bit silly. of course he wont concede until all options are exhausted. the issue isnt that he hasnt conceded, its how hes acting while not conceding. hes being an inflammatory douche bag, gore wasnt that at all. but if were talking time, a lack of concession with active allegations on november 11th really isnt a big deal. so long as the person is civil. civility and timing are two different things.

This post was edited by thesnipa on Nov 11 2020 09:05pm

I don't think that he's going to keep power, and I love when I hear about his tantrums and how stupid the arguments are in front of the judges.

But if this becomes normal, as a lot of his behavior seems to have become, then we could end up in 2-3 more cycles in a situation where the transfer of power is far less stable, and that's a recipe for some bad consequences as people get nervous about the stability of the government.

i hope if trump beats biden or harris in 2024 i dont see democrats all of a sudden decide over night that election fraud is a thing.

but i saw in 2016 when all too many people thought earnestly that the only way trump could have won was hacking. like literal hacking lol. it was inconceivable that that many trump voters existed, just as its inconceivable that this many biden voters exist to trump voters today.

lets not act like this reaction is new, it may be worse but its certainly not new lol.

The Republicans in the deepstate rigged the elections to oust Trump, while being able to keep the voters.
They knew the US general population was too mentally retarded to vote him out so they made sure no matter what that Trump was outed.
They let him throw his temper tantrums and spread lies because it harms the democrats long term, while covering up all their tracks.
While slowly going against him in not so obvious ways like the GA sec of state situation.
Eventually hes replaced by good ole corporatism Joe for an election cycle while they build the base up more for a slam dunk 2022 to get the house without having to cheat.
This is why they kept the senate, made huge gains in the house, but not suspicious ones, yet lost the presidential election.
They even let the GA senate races go to run offs because they only need 1 seat and its pretty much guaranteed.

This post was edited by Mangix on Nov 11 2020 09:33pm

But this ability to do insane shit and get away with it without losing the support of his base is an ability unique to Trump. Arent you liberals always stressing that Trumpism is a cult of personality? If this was true, then all of it would hinge on Trump's very... unique personality, on the exreme strengths and weakness that come with it. Almost no other politician is as charismatic and as much of a showman and gifted entertainer as Trump. Almost no other politician is as inflammatory and polarizing. Very few politicians feel the pulse of their base as well as Trump does. Very few politicians are as inept as Trump at reaching out and appealing to voters beyond their base.

Simply put: Trump is a unicorn; and no, a president JEB! or Rubio would not have gotten away with nearly as much shit as him.

This post was edited by Black XistenZ on Nov 11 2020 09:41pm

This is false. Electoral votes are cast December 14th. If neither candidate reaches 270, which can happen for a variety of reasons (states being tied up in court, for instance), then the House and Senate are called to an immediately emergency session, and the House elects the President, the Senate elects the Vice President. Each state's House Delegation receives 1 vote, first to 26 wins. When it comes to states having a majority of representatives and regarding the number of senators, if red votes red, blue votes blue, there will be a second Trump term. This is referred to as the "Nightmare Scenario" on both the left and right.

The bottom line is that the President is not elected by the popular or even general vote. He or she is elected by the states. That the states use the popular vote within the state to determine who the state votes for is also to be taken into consideration, but is not in any way guaranteed by or a part of the Constitution.



No "state" has called anything. The states "call" the election on December 14th.



If it gets him free press on whatever his next business venture is, I have no doubt you are 100% correct.



No "coup" is required. Trump is using all legal and Constitutional means to compete for victory. This is not a "game". It's a competition. Which part of that statement confuses you?




Again, everyone needs to sit back and be patient. Come December 14th, we will be able to definitively state who is the next President. It will likely be Biden, but that is absolutely not a guarantee at this point in time. Those attempting to attack Trump for "not conceding" are idiots. Those attempting to defend Trump's "loss" are idiots. Allow the system to work as it's designed to work, save all the other bullshit for later.