You just described the whole SjW movement. Useless as fuck.

You know what, if we stopped taking from them and totally leveled the playing field, I would agree. But we keep having laws passed specifically to continue taking from those same groups. So it's not "in the past". It's very much continuing today.

This would only be true in a closed system, where there's the exact same number of houses and jobs, but now there's all of a sudden 13% more people competing for the same number of scarce resources. Moreover, even if it were true that all whites at least marginally benefitted from black discrimination, you still haven't provided any arguments on why these benefits should not have been offset in a lot of cases by the improvement of all of society from earlier integration. Like I said, an earlier end to Jim Crow would have seen a lot of whites from the middle percentiles better off on aggregate.

And even if this part of your argument was cogent (it isnt), then that would still not prove the other part of your original claim, namely that all whites actively benefitted. You are very much describing passive/indirect benefits.





You are very wrong. I criticized him repeatedly during his first 3 years in office when he truly deserved it. We obviously disagree a ton on how often that was the case.

Regarding 2020: I kept tacitly rooting for him even after covid began, while his support had already dwindled a lot. It was only after he completely butchered the government response to the virus, was completely unable to address the racial tensions and social unrest surrounding the Floyd protests AND showed that he was unable to learn from his mistakes or rise to the occasion that my support for him really cooled off. And even then I went into election night relatively agnostic between him and Biden, because I dislike the Democratic platform and everything they stand for just THAT much. I only changed my stance to "god, no, dont let Trump run again" after the disastrous GA runoffs and the insurrection at the Capitol.

In reality, it is you whose opinion of Trump was set in stone and independent from his actual actions. You're projecting your own predetermined view of Trump onto me.
When it comes to trans rights, you are dead wrong. I will never be convinced by the shitty arguments and insane demands coming from this movement.




Generally speaking, your impression of me, my worldview and my thought process is really off. Not an accusation against you, I have myself to blame for that. It's the result of my low effort posting and my occasional inconsistency...

I actively called you out for defending bullshit constantly lol. You regularly went above and beyond to give him all possible doubts.

Your argument really hinges on what the word "active" means. Pretty weak. Your second argument is one of the most reaching arguments I've ever seen. Blacks were actively kept from nice apartment buildings which kept prices lower, actively kept from using resources which again keeps prices lower for whites. I'd call that active, and I'd say that even if society as a whole would have benefitted from earlier desegregation, the fact that whites got pushed up in a "smaller pie" society drastically outweighs that because of the very real benefits they got in almost every endeavor

And you went above and beyond to dump on him for everything he did, be it genuinely bad stuff or absolutely minor.


Lol wtf?! YOU are the one who brought the adjective "active" into this debate, which implies that there is also a form of "passive benefitting". So, what do you understand by these terms; what distinguishes benefiting "actively" from benefiting "passively"?



With a higher demand for nice apartments, more of them would have been built eventually. You're talking about the expected turmoils during the first handful of years after desegregation. In the long run, stuff like that fizzles out. We are debating about stuff like generational wealth/poverty, so this long-term perspective is clearly what's relevant here.

I said "active" and you've hinged your whole argument on what the term active means. It's pretty meaningless. I think that a large group of people being essentially forced into undesirable labor to support the bottom of the system actively benefits you. If you disagree, it's a semantics issue.

The pie still grew by roughly the same amount because the number of workers was the same, but one group was put into the low level work and another group had disproportionate access to high level work. The high level work requires education and genrational wealth as it's skilled labor, so they disproportionately benefitted.

If your claim is that whites are worse off because desegregation would have increased the pie so much that it wouldn't have mattered that they had more people at the bottom, then show your work.

No, I did not hinge my whole argument on these semantics. My main gripe was with your claim that all whites benefitted from the racial discrimination of blacks, the "active" stuff was just a secondary argument.





You're still disregarding several factors that I already mentioned: blacks having more purchasing power would expand the economy, creating new low- and high-level jobs and thus mitigating the additional pressure their integration puts onto white workers, at least to some degree. Additionally, the talents of blacks would not have been wasted, which would have increased the productivity and innovativeness of the American economy. Dito for crime rates and "dead" spending on stuff like welfare, prisons and so on.

I already agreed with you that there were low-skill whites who benefitted significantly from the lack of competition from blacks. My main point is that this effect is a lot smaller in medium and many upper tier jobs. If people of color were a serious threat to the status or jobs of college-educated whites, this group would not embrace racial liberalism as wholeheartedly as it does.

By the way: that's not just a 21st century, post-industrial economy thing; political science has found a consistent difference in attitudes on questions of race and immigration between working-class and college-educated voters dating back to at least the 1930s. The reason for this cleavage is simply that low edcuation/status whites benefit from a racial hierarchy which gives them unearned privileges while the advantages of racial integration and (sensible) immigration prevail for college-educated/higher status whites.

This post was edited by Black XistenZ on Jun 6 2021 08:16pm

The sickest thing about Thor's lies is that the problem in the community are Democrats fault.

The Democrats destroyed the black family.

That is why they lie so hard and desperately cling to their muh racism dance.

Because they have to cover up their own crippling failures.

White people have no in group preference anymore, otherwise we would be burning these liars.