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Jun 17 2016 03:58pm
Quote (herbdoc @ Jun 17 2016 01:56pm)
Mexico is actually very nice. Just like America, it has nice places and bad.

They come here to get free care. Pretty simple.

For a family of 3 inpay $700 a month for the same fucking Healthcar eillegal immigrants get for free. Not including my VA benefits - which suck asshole


lots of places are pretty nice for our fortunate and wealthy (in comparison) asses when we take our safe vacations around the world
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Jun 17 2016 04:03pm
Quote (thesnipa @ Jun 17 2016 04:55pm)
care to explain this then.


The Obama administration has changed the standards of deportation, dude.

Now if Illegals are detained and questioned at the border (or within 100 miles of it) and it comes back they're illegal not to cross into America. They're immediately shipped back to Mexico before ever gaining entry.....outside of that 100 mile barrier - deportations are a total joke.

The borders are NOT safer , nor is the rate of deportation higher under the Obama administration..

Nice Try, bubba.

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Quote (herbdoc @ Jun 17 2016 04:03pm)
The Obama administration has changed the standards of deportation, dude.

Now if Illegals are detained and questioned at the border (or within 100 miles of it) and it comes back they're illegal not to cross into America. They're immediately shipped back to Mexico before ever gaining entry.....

The borders are NOT safer , nor is the rate of deportation higher under the Obama administration..

Nice Try, bubba.


What about this though?

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Since coming to office in 2009, Obama’s government has deported more than 2.5 million people—up 23% from the George W. Bush years. More shockingly, Obama is now on pace to deport more people than the sum of all 19 presidents who governed the United States from 1892-2000, according to government data.
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Jun 17 2016 04:20pm
Quote (thesnipa @ Jun 17 2016 05:10pm)
What about this though?


I think you should look up what a deportation really is.

Catching people within 100 miles of the border, is not deportation.
I'm not one for copy and paste facts.. but here you go.

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Since two-thirds of removals were not interior deportations but border apprehensions, let’s focus on
the 133,000 removals that are more commonly understood as deportations. 10 Of the 133,000 interior
removals in FY13, ICE reports 82%, or 110,000, were convicted criminals. ICE further reports that 80,000 of the 110,000 were convicted of a felony (including 53,000 convicted of one or more aggravated felonies). The remaining 30,000 were convicted of a crime less than a felony but in most cases, according to ICE, had also either absconded or re-entered the country illegally after
being deported (a felony). Altogether, 60% of all convicted criminals removed by ICE had either been previously deported and returned to this country whereupon they committed a crime, or had been released after being apprehended by immigration authorities and fled, becoming a fugitive.

So, we are left with roughly 23,000 interior removals which, according to ICE, don’t have a known criminal conviction in the U.S. on their record. Of those 23,000, ICE reports that 13,000 are either fugitives or habitual offenders/previous deportees. That leaves only 10,000 removals out of 368,000 removals—or just 2%—who were seemingly removed/returned for immigration crimes without additional serious offenses such as being felons or fugitives. However, according to the National ICE Council, many of these were security red flags for other reasons (for instance, they had been in and out of jail for serious offenses without a conviction) and the field office was able to overcome “prosecutorial discretion” to secure a removal.

As previously established, of the 12 million current illegal immigrants and visa overstays, approximately 0.2% were removed who did not have a criminal conviction and approximately 0.08%
were removed who were not habitual offenders/previous deportees or convicted criminals. Yet now, per the ICE committee, those instances may be further reduced towards 0%—which would represent a nearly complete prohibition against everyday immigration enforcement and would erase the core
distinction between legal and illegal immigration.
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Jun 17 2016 04:43pm
Quote (Master_Zappy @ Jun 17 2016 01:47pm)
I'm not sure mexico is purposely sending over folks, but acknowledge that a great many of them are and arent stopping them. There is an official pamphlet that they published about some of the dangers of being on the road and of mexican citizen's right's they have if they run into LEO here in the usa. Human rights watch groups estimate some 60-80% of women/girls are being raped along along the way, a pretty staggering figure, how many of those rapists are coming in is debatable, it's more the predatory men taking advantage of the situation. For women making the journey, it's so bad , many of them are taking birth control and plan b drugs to prevent pregnancy

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/01/06/world/americas/a-mexican-manual-for-illegal-migrants-upsets-some-in-us.html?_r=0



80% Of Central American Women, Girls Are Raped Crossing Into The U.S.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/09/12/central-america-migrants-rape_n_5806972.html




By the usa having such a weak stance on immigration, an unintended consequence is more people making the trip, ironically a stronger stance and enforced border would help reduce the gross numbers of people trying, and prevent a huge amount of related crime and predators.









average illegal immigrant household has a net avg cost (to taxpayers) of ~$14K + per year, a bus ride is way cheaper then doing nothing.

http://www.heritage.org/research/reports/2013/05/the-fiscal-cost-of-unlawful-immigrants-and-amnesty-to-the-us-taxpayer


this doesn't fit my liberal narrative im going to ignore it and classify it under dogwhistles
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Jun 17 2016 04:45pm
Quote (majorblood @ 17 Jun 2016 14:43)
this doesn't fit my liberal narrative im going to ignore it and classify it under dogwhistles


Nah, it's obvious and fairly known fact, but proving that a large percentage of the people who come over are victims of violent crime and then using that as proof that most of them are violent criminals is about as illogical as... well, as most of the shit that Trump supporters are willing to swallow.

I mean seriously, didn't seeing people who agree with you on Trump start swallowing anti-vax shit immediately because Trump said it give you even the slightest pause? :(
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Quote (thesnipa @ Jun 17 2016 05:44pm)
So you would support a witchhunt for overstayed visas that would cost as much or more than paying for the overstayed citizens social benefits? Interesting.


Sounds like a shitty criminal alibi. Oh wait, it is.
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Jun 17 2016 09:25pm
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ty

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cya, kiddo

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