Don't worry sweetheart the mods will come save you soon so you can continue running your ignorant fucking mouth

but what will i do if you 10% out and there's no one to tell me i think the opposite of what im saying!

o wait:

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Probably continue running your ignorant fucking mouth. You are American, no one is shocked by that. You are the worst cancer on the planet.

The uprising was not organic at least not fully, nor was it shot down by Putin, what alternative universe are you living in lol. It ended with Pro-Western politicians who somehow overnight took control of Ukraine's power apparatus and deposed the pro-Russians (unthinkable feat considering 50% of the country voted for a pro-Russian candidate so how did they take full control of armed forces, police, etc. unless the coup was already set in motion way before maiden)

its been a good while since i got someone this riled up, but its been even longer that they got this mad for thinking the exact opposite of what i actually think. so thanks!

which part is incorrect? did Viktor not stop EU talks? is Viktor not allied with Russia? where he is currently in exile. was his opponent, Yulia Tymoshenko, whom he defeated, not a pro EU/NATO alternative?

i dont pretend to be a ukraine expert, so please correct me?

In any case 49% of the country did vote for Vik, and a few percent less voted for Yulia. but break down the numbers in Kyiv and the surrounding area.

This post was edited by thesnipa on Mar 31 2023 02:34pm

First of all, you keep saying EU/NATO. Many Ukrainians wanted a closer relationship with Europe due to economic reasons and benefits of EU such as visa free travel, investments, loans, etc, nothing to do with a closer relationship with NATO. That was the western half, that lost the election.

Let's leave out the fact that this coup was western backed and funded for a second. Why do you think it's okay for the half of the country that lost an election to violently depose the elected president? He had the legitimate power to stop pro-EU trade pacts so not sure why you think he somehow went outside the scope of what the president can do.

I mean weren't you posting about how terrible Jan 6 was and how historic of an attack that was? If that was successful and we had Democrat politicians and judges imprisoned or running for the hills and CNN and MSNBC was banned that's what Ukraine is post Maidan. Just strange how you were pearl clutching about the domestic case but this is some beacon of freedom and democracy on display.

The bolded is really the key point of contention in my opinion. The way you and I, as well as most posters from the "pro-Ukraine" side in this war, believe that a revolt against the Russia-aligned president was organically underway due to their outrage over Yanukovych tearing apart the EU-UA association agreement at the eleventh hour. (Which btw went against Yanukovych's promises from the campaign trail for the 2010 presidential election.)

From that point on, things derailed quickly; Yanukovych deployed his Berkut secret police which violently cracked down on the Euromaidan protesters, who in turn got increasingly violent as well, and so on and forth. The way we see it, the train toward coup-town had already left the station at that point and the West decided to jump the train and try to shape the events such that the outcome would serve our interests (i.e. there is a pro-Western government when the dust settles).



The way the pro-Russian posters see it, the Euromaidan protests were astroturfed by the CIA/Western intelligence from the get go and would never have gotten this explosive without our interference. Hence, the legitimately elected president was ousted by a coup which was illegitimate and never actually represented the will of the Ukrainian people. The constitutional gridlock (between the Moscow-aligned president and the pro-EU parliament) was thus resolved in favor of Western interests, at the expense of the - in their view - majority of the Ukrainian population which would have preferred to remain aligned with Russia.

This post was edited by Black XistenZ on Mar 31 2023 05:41pm

my tds